Defending “the club” at every juncture

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Not this shite man.

Look at our wage bill. Wages define what you spend in this league. Not transfer fees. We’re miles behind some very small clubs. Miles behind!!
And last time we were in the championship we had the highest wage bill in the league.

The reality is rightly or wrongly the club has a football structure that the 'head coach' fits into. Neil was frustrated with the lack of transfers in, and he perceived himself as not being backed. I suspect saying yes to Stoke's approach was a power play on his behalf, expecting SAFC to cave to some demands that went against the current structure, be that wages or players, contract or something else. He's got form for this from his time at preston.

We've ended up in the shit before by chucking money at situations rather than dealing with them pragmatically. Six months ago, Alex Neil was a manager who no club had looked at for 12 months, and had to drop into league one to get a gig. He's done brilliantly well, and I'm gutted he's gone, but I reckon he's tried to turn the screw on the club and the club have stood firm.

In hindsight, in the past we'd have been far better off standing firm and not caving in to demands of players, managers and agents.
 
I'm not the one passing off my opinion as fact .
Non of us have any idea what is behind Neil's decision.
You seem to be of the opinion it was the club forcing Neil to accept a one year contract , when given his history it was probably his choice .
I'm gutted the he is leaving with 5 days left in the transfer window and that his decision may impact on transfers , nearly completed .
Always one step forward , two steps back , when following Sunderland.
Look it is a negotiation

The manager wants the highest pay and the shortest contract length

The club needs a good manager on a sensible contract length

So we offer him more money and extend the contract length

And we do this because he had proved to be a very good manager for us which we absolutely need

Or we let Stoke City poach our manager

Club is being badly run
 
How far are we behind them in the standings?
Sheffield Utd, West Brom, Watford, Burnley, Norwich all have parachute payments.

The likes of Stoke, Boro, Swansea, the London clubs, Blackburn and probably Hull will all have bigger wage bills than us.
 
Look it is a negotiation

The manager wants the highest pay and the shortest contract length

The club needs a good manager on a sensible contract length

So we offer him more money and extend the contract length

And we do this because he had proved to be a very good manager for us which we absolutely need

Or we let Stoke City poach our manager

Club is being badly run
The club is not being badly run. Are you too young to remember the last decade?
 
What were they meant to do?

He wouldn't have signed a contract originally if it wasn't a rolling contract. He wouldnt have signed a contract originally if there wasn't a clause in his contract that allowed him to speak to other clubs.

They've backed him. We've got the third highest net spend in the Championship.

What was the board meant to do?

Alex Neil's plan all along (clearly) was to use us. It's clear as day.

His plan would have been to make sure he could leave if we actually turned out to be the clusterfuck we looked like from the outside. At the time nobody even knew who owned the club.
 
Sick of seeing people defend and refer to “the club” as a collective as if speaking against what happens is being detrimental to or against SAFC as a whole. “The Club” have owners, directors and senior management who are responsible for decision making and funding commitments. When you defend “the club” you defend them. You defend Donald, Sartori, Davison and KLD. That’s defending “the club”.

I’m f***ing pissed off with Neil that he saw fit to drive to Stoke the day before we play but I’m more pissed off with why he made that decision and what drove him to do it.

The Club is bigger than the Sartoris and Donald's of the world. They were a fleeting fraction of the "Clubs" history.

The club is about the players, the fans, the coaches, the bar staff. And yes, the managers and chairmen too. It's about everyone.

I might not agree with the way "the club" is run. But I still support "the club". Chairmen come and go, managers come and go, players come and go. "The Club" remains.

It's perfectly acceptable to support and defend the club, while still criticising the way its run.
 
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The club is not being badly run. Are you too young to remember the last decade?
I can remember several decades before the last one

But over the last few years we have had the lowest finishes in the clubs entire history - all under this bunch of utter Chancers

While they close the shop, bollox up selling tickets and now let Stoke City poach our manager - trying to run everything on a shoe string all the time having bought the club with its own money

Club is being badly run
 
And last time we were in the championship we had the highest wage bill in the league.

The reality is rightly or wrongly the club has a football structure that the 'head coach' fits into. Neil was frustrated with the lack of transfers in, and he perceived himself as not being backed. I suspect saying yes to Stoke's approach was a power play on his behalf, expecting SAFC to cave to some demands that went against the current structure, be that wages or players, contract or something else. He's got form for this from his time at preston.

We've ended up in the shit before by chucking money at situations rather than dealing with them pragmatically. Six months ago, Alex Neil was a manager who no club had looked at for 12 months, and had to drop into league one to get a gig. He's done brilliantly well, and I'm gutted he's gone, but I reckon he's tried to turn the screw on the club and the club have stood firm.

In hindsight, in the past we'd have been far better off standing firm and not caving in to demands of players, managers and agents.

We could have sold Kenwyne Jones to Spurs for crazy money at the time. Instead we gave him 40 grand a week and ended up subsidising his wages at Stoke a year later.

I'm not convinced by Speakman at all. The one thing that gives me confidence is he's prepared to make unpopular calls. If the rumours are correct he's the one who pushed back on Keane for Neil in the first place.
 
Sheffield Utd, West Brom, Watford, Burnley, Norwich all have parachute payments.

The likes of Stoke, Boro, Swansea, the London clubs, Blackburn and probably Hull will all have bigger wage bills than us.
So how far behind them are we in the standings? We’re sitting 5th atm. You mention Stoke, they’re in a financial death spiral. Pissing your pants because we don’t spend is a bit Mag like.
Get a good nights sleep. We’ve got 3 points to grab tomorrow and we will.
HTL
 
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Look it is a negotiation

The manager wants the highest pay and the shortest contract length

The club needs a good manager on a sensible contract length

So we offer him more money and extend the contract length

And we do this because he had proved to be a very good manager for us which we absolutely need

Or we let Stoke City poach our manager

Club is being badly run
How do you know we didn't offer him a 3 year contract but Neil wouldn't sign it ,saying he wanted a rolling contract and a clause saying the club could refuse him speaking to other clubs
 
Look the choice is not only between

A - pay journeymen mega millions over what they are worth and run up colossal debts while plummeting through the leagues

Or

B - run everything on a shoe string with key players and managers on short contracts, ticket office and shop closed, buying 18 year old wingers from Costa Rica when we need experienced defensive cover

We could have avoided losing AN by simply renegotiating his contract after promotion
 
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Look the choice is not only between

A - pay journeymen mega millions over what they are worth and run up colossal debts while plummeting through the leagues

Or

B - run everything on a shoe string with key players and managers on short contracts, ticket office and shop closed, buying 18 year old wingers from Costa Rica when we need experienced defensuve cover

We could have avoided losing AN by simply renegotiating his contract after promotion
And Didn't as far as we know.
 
It happens because "The Club" is all people reliably have.

The Roker Report live thing tonight was an excercise in people trying to convince themselves that they aren't bothered, Neil is a liar and it was inevitable he is gone because he's a mercenary.

Players, manager, owners are temporary...."The Club" always has to be right because it's the only permanent.
 
I can remember several decades before the last one

But over the last few years we have had the lowest finishes in the clubs entire history - all under this bunch of utter Chancers

While they close the shop, bollox up selling tickets and now let Stoke City poach our manager - trying to run everything on a shoe string all the time having bought the club with its own money

Club is being badly run
What’s wrong with running things on a shoe string? Do you want to rack up £130m debt again, I don’t tbh. Neil is a greedy fucker and left of his own volition, we’ve had the third highest net spend in the League. Idk what you want tbh so I’ll leave jt
 
And why that was not done mystifies me and I can only conclude we didn't want to pay him what he would have demanded for longer term commitment

Which I think we will come to regret

Club is being badly run
Don’t disagree just have to look at the recent cases of both the shop and ticket office and which took fan pressure and statements and media coverage to fix.
It happens because "The Club" is all people reliably have.

The Roker Report live thing tonight was an excercise in people trying to convince themselves that they aren't bothered, Neil is a liar and it was inevitable he is gone because he's a mercenary.

Players, manager, owners are temporary...."The Club" always has to be right because it's the only permanent.
This is true, in a certain aspect in some cases it’s like a family member, just something I have noticed over the years
 
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What’s wrong with running things on a shoe string? Do you want to rack up £130m debt again, I don’t tbh. Neil is a greedy fucker and left of his own volition, we’ve had the third highest net spend in the League. Idk what you want tbh so I’ll leave jt
There is plenty of scope between spending millions on the likes of Rodwell and on the other hand trying to run a club without a ticket office or shop

And trying to hold on to a successful manager on a short term League 1 based contract is a recipe for failure

Club is being badly run
 
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