Defending “the club” at every juncture

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But you inferred we had the same wage bill as we did in league one but with promotion earned pay increases that’s not correct.
Sorry for any confusion. A promotion clause that gives a wage rise to a player on a league one contract does not necessarily mean wage parity to a player who is on a championship contract or a player who has took a percentage wage decrease of a Premier League contract due to relegation.
 
He’s not a fan of saying “aye you’re right” is he?
Because your not right. You can’t just rant your way through a thread and think it makes you right. People have sensible, reasoned points and some of them are correct, you can’t just keep shouting them down.

Me fatha used to be like that, thought if shouted loudest and longest in his head he’d be right, Me fatha was a bit of an arsehole.
 
Because your not right. You can’t just rant your way through a thread and think it makes you right. People have sensible, reasoned points and some of them are correct, you can’t just keep shouting them down.

Me fatha used to be like that, thought if shouted loudest and longest in his head he’d be right, Me fatha was a bit of an arsehole.
He’s has form with me. He’s saying things I have not said. I’m pointing out I have not said this.

We have a wage bill lower than most in the division. Fact. If you give me a reasoned argument to suggest otherwise then fine. I’d welcome the debate with you.
 
Stoke’s ceiling will always be lower than ours, whatever way he paints it, it’s not the same
Seems he is happier being cosy close to family and a bit more money in the short term (and ultimately being another 'decent' championship manager).

If he is then that is not what we want from a manager here, and so good riddance.


I'm still gutted mind. Really thought AN was our modern day Denis Smith.


Feels like ****ing groundhog day yet again.
 
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Sick of seeing people defend and refer to “the club” as a collective as if speaking against what happens is being detrimental to or against SAFC as a whole. “The Club” have owners, directors and senior management who are responsible for decision making and funding commitments. When you defend “the club” you defend them. You defend Donald, Sartori, Davison and KLD. That’s defending “the club”.

I’m f***ing pissed off with Neil that he saw fit to drive to Stoke the day before we play but I’m more pissed off with why he made that decision and what drove him to do it.
Hear hear, it's like when people say oh you are acting like mags etc.
Well look at them now...while we have the stingiest billionaires and lose a manager to funking Stoke City!!!
 
For me both parties are guilty here. Alex Neil has known the structure of the club all along so it shouldn't come as a surprise how we conduct transfers etc. Financially the club seem to be prepared to spend on the right players they identify. Who identifies them or has the final say could be a bone of contentment. The timing is f***ing shit and leaves us scrapping about for a new coach who may or may not fancy the players assembled.
This whole contract situation is on them for me. If Alex Neil signs a 3year deal with Stoke then you have to ask why he wasn't given that here as soon as promotion was achieved. If he was the driving force behind remaining on that rolling contract, then at that stage in the Summer the alarm bells should have been ringing in the board room that he wasn't committed.
 
How can it be said that he hasn’t been backed in the transfer market that’s insane !! We 3rd highest spenders in the league strong chance to finish biggest spenders by the end of the window

Wages O’Neil stoke old manager was payed 3 million last year surely that’s seen as stupid wages

We might be the third highest spenders (why not highest - we've got a lot of catching up to do) but are they the players AN wanted or Speakman wanted?
The upper management at SAFC just as in the rest of the country have got the whip hand in all things and the decisions they make are not necessarily best for the club or supporters but for the ownership, directors and themselves - I think AN may have been shafted and threatened to resign, they called his bluff and now we look fecked.
 
I don’t like it but this is correct
But there's a correct way of doing things. Why could he not wait till Sunday or Monday.

He's dropped us right in the shite doing this just before a match. He had 6 good months with us. Don't we deserve some consideration ?

The club have to take some responsibility for the events, but the timing was down to Neil.
 
There is always an element of fans that will side with the club no matter what happens.


The club have to take this on the chin this time.

Why on earth would Alex neil leave us for Stoke if there wasn’t something not right behind the scenes??!

His family live near Preston.
It’s no where fuckin near Stoke !!
The clubs can’t be compared in terms of history, fan base and prospects if things are ok.

The club have fucked up here and hopefully it stops at Alex neil and doesn’t lead to more departures
His family live less than 1 hour drive from Stoke. Preston itself is 1hr 15 from Stoke.
 
Because your not right. You can’t just rant your way through a thread and think it makes you right. People have sensible, reasoned points and some of them are correct, you can’t just keep shouting them down.

Me fatha used to be like that, thought if shouted loudest and longest in his head he’d be right, Me fatha was a bit of an arsehole.
Ok so if we take it that the current model is scout out scientifically the best managers, players currently undervalued and bring them into the club

That way we avoid massive debts threatening the club’s existence

But the question then becomes what do we do when clubs being run unsustainably - like Stoke 365 or Saudi United - come calling if we dont ensure we have contractual protection?

Just hope that we can just continue to unearth talent other clubs miss?

Where does selling off all the talent in the club’s academy fit into this model?

Nobody is suggesting a return to spending millions on deadbeats and players in semi retirement but at the moment the club is going way too far in the opposite direction

Let’s see how we get on with finding another manager as effective and grounded as AN
 
For me both parties are guilty here. Alex Neil has known the structure of the club all along so it shouldn't come as a surprise how we conduct transfers etc. Financially the club seem to be prepared to spend on the right players they identify. Who identifies them or has the final say could be a bone of contentment. The timing is f***ing shit and leaves us scrapping about for a new coach who may or may not fancy the players assembled.
This whole contract situation is on them for me. If Alex Neil signs a 3year deal with Stoke then you have to ask why he wasn't given that here as soon as promotion was achieved. If he was the driving force behind remaining on that rolling contract, then at that stage in the Summer the alarm bells should have been ringing in the board room that he wasn't committed.

Before AN arrived Speakman's name on here was shit - AN arrived and made a silk purse out of sow's ear and Speakman was the best thing since Double Maxim was brought back from the dead.
I hope we are not back where we were pre-AN.
 
He’s has form with me. He’s saying things I have not said. I’m pointing out I have not said this.

We have a wage bill lower than most in the division. Fact. If you give me a reasoned argument to suggest otherwise then fine. I’d welcome the debate with you.
I agree that our wage bill is low in comparison but why is it a bad thing? If we hadn’t won a game yet and were sitting bottom then there’d be a good argument for spending more and bringing in more quality while risking our financial situation slightly.

As it stands though, sitting 5th and more than holding our own it doesn’t seem to justify the risk.
 
Sick of seeing people defend and refer to “the club” as a collective as if speaking against what happens is being detrimental to or against SAFC as a whole. “The Club” have owners, directors and senior management who are responsible for decision making and funding commitments. When you defend “the club” you defend them. You defend Donald, Sartori, Davison and KLD. That’s defending “the club”.

I’m f***ing pissed off with Neil that he saw fit to drive to Stoke the day before we play but I’m more pissed off with why he made that decision and what drove him to do it.
Totally agree with that. We don't know what happened in the days leading up to yesterday that caused this - but it looks to me that there has been a major disagreement between AN and management that came to a head, quite possibly over recruitment (or lack of it). The truth will out eventually.
 
Ok so if we take it that the current model is scout out scientifically the best managers, players currently undervalued and bring them into the club

That way we avoid massive debts threatening the club’s existence

But the question then becomes what do we do when clubs being run unsustainably - like Stoke 365 or Saudi United - come calling if we dont ensure we have contractual protection?

Just hope that we can just continue to unearth talent other clubs miss?

Where does selling off all the talent in the club’s academy fit into this model?

Nobody is suggesting a return to spending millions on deadbeats and players in semi retirement but at the moment the club is going way too far in the opposite direction

Let’s see how we get on with finding another manager as effective and grounded as AN
Think you missed my point, I’m arguing that it can be sensible to use the current model and not put ourselves in a financial position we may not be able to sustain.
 
I agree that our wage bill is low in comparison but why is it a bad thing? If we hadn’t won a game yet and were sitting bottom then there’d be a good argument for spending more and bringing in more quality while risking our financial situation slightly.

As it stands though, sitting 5th and more than holding our own it doesn’t seem to justify the risk.
It’s not a bad thing. That’s the point. Grumpy is inferring that I’m saying that when I’m not yet you’ve went off on one saying I’m shouting him down and portraying him as the victim. He’s not the victim, he’s just bloody hard work sometimes.
 
We might be the third highest spenders (why not highest - we've got a lot of catching up to do) but are they the players AN wanted or Speakman wanted?
The upper management at SAFC just as in the rest of the country have got the whip hand in all things and the decisions they make are not necessarily best for the club or supporters but for the ownership, directors and themselves - I think AN may have been shafted and threatened to resign, they called his bluff and now we look fecked.

He wanted to keep the same core together he’s said that numerous times now so our biggest outlay this season clarke was he’s player
 
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