DCL Promotion

[Old Timer]

I seem to recall that Castle Eden were told that the ground was to small for the NEPL, or was it the DSL a few years back. Would be a shame as it is one of the nicest looking grounds in the area. I recall the dressing rooms being on the small side but other than that the facilities were very good.

 

[ac arundez]

Good shout. Plenty for the leagues to sort out once the dust settles.

That scenario could get very interesting.

Let's say DCL gets back up to full quota with relegation of Mainsforth and the DCL 1 champions get beat in play off. That will leave DCL 1 with 13 teams.

Will DCL then relegate team finishing third bottom? Can't imagine that going down well and I haven't seen anything in rules to cater for that.

Mix in the above with a team coming from NEDCL into DCL2, thus leaving DCL with 25 teams it could get very inferring indeed.

 

[robkitchuk]

DCL2 is one team short this year, following the loss of Houghton. On that basis, I would have thought that DCL2 would accept a promotion from NEDCL to make the numbers back up, without having to relegate the bottom side. I appreciate that this would be a shit situation for the NEDCL mind.



Snap!

If they do that, which is against the whole idea of a Durham pyramid system (and exactly like the Durham City situation which caused the whole shitstorm last time round) then I personally can't see the NEDCL continuing next year.

I don't think there is to be a relegation this year as Houghton folded so there is already one less team.

it's a pyramid so people should move up and down no matter what the numbers are involved. Wouldn't happen in Football

That scenario could get very interesting.

Let's say DCL gets back up to full quota with relegation of Mainsforth and the DCL 1 champions get beat in play off. That will leave DCL 1 with 13 teams.

Will DCL then relegate team finishing third bottom? Can't imagine that going down well and I haven't seen anything in rules to cater for that.

Mix in the above with a team coming from NEDCL into DCL2, thus leaving DCL with 25 teams it could get very inferring indeed.

Or the DCL could relegate a single team from DCL1 to DCL 2 with promotion as normal.

 

[Sweeper]

If they do that, which is against the whole idea of a Durham pyramid system (and exactly like the Durham City situation which caused the whole shitstorm last time round) then I personally can't see the NEDCL continuing next year.


it's a pyramid so people should move up and down no matter what the numbers are involved. Wouldn't happen in Football


Or the DCL could relegate a single team from DCL1 to DCL 2 with promotion as normal.

Can't disagree with any of that. As far as I'm concerned it's in the interests of the whole pyramid to ensure that the NEDCL (just as all other leagues) stays as strong as possible. If the NEDCL is allowed to whittle away, there will be a knock on affect for the strength of the whole system.

 

[eddyfinn]

I agree, whoever is bottom of the DCL should be relegated if someone from the NEDCL comes up that is what the pyramid is for and should be stuck too. The club who goes down could benefit in the long run anyway

 

[NorthCountryBoy]

Heard at the weekend that the winner of the NTSL and the winner of the DCL will play-off for promotion.

Anyone able to confirm this??

Word was, game to be played at Ropery Lane the week after the season end - so 16th September I believe.

There will be a canny crowd at that.

In terms of the NEDCL, rather than it collapse and risk having clubs with nowhere to play could there be talks of a merger with the DCL? Or would teams go to the Darlington/ West Tyne leagues (nearest small ones I can think of)

yes I think that is correct. So it looks like Swalwell/Shotley Bridge/Ashington v Castle Eden/Durham City/Tudhoe if they want to go into NEPL

Durham don't have a game between Sep 8 and Sep 19. Might Collingwood be free for it

 

[ac arundez]

Or the DCL could relegate a single team from DCL1 to DCL 2 with promotion as normal.[/QUOTE]

That wouldn't work either. The scenario I'm alluding to is in the event of a play off.

Let's take this hypothetical situation.

- Swalwell win NTSL
- Tudhoe win DCL1
- Mainsforth get relegated from NEPL1 (and opt to go into DCL)
- Littletown & Bill Quay get relegated from
DCL 1 to DCL 2 (as per current rules).

Swalwell play off against Tudhoe and Swalwell win, thus gaining promotion from NTSCL and Tudhoe staying put in DCL.

This situation leaves DCL1 with 12 teams and DCL2 still with 11 (following houghton folding).

Let's now say Mainsforth opt to return to DCL (appratenly the can choose to go into league they come from) - now DCL1 goes up to 13 teams.

Unless DCL relegated the team finishing 3rd bottom. Let's say this team is Dawdon as it stands.

Would Dawdon be happy being relegated against all current rules? I know we wouldn't be and would put up an alrighty fight, as would Bill Quay and Horden probably.

So let's say DCL gets Mainsforth back, doesn't relegate Dawdon this leaving 13 in DCL1 and 11 in DCL2.

All feasible.

If NEDCL winners apply to go up, say that's Hunwick for theory sake, then as per new Pyramid rules provided criteria is met, the DCL2 will accept them thus making 12 in DCL2 again.

I can see the above happening unless a club voluntarily drops down from DCL1 to DCL2 (unlikely) or voluntarily drops from DCL2 to NEDCL1 (a possibility of a club is struggling to put a 2nd XI out as an example - but not certain that would happen).

 

[robkitchuk]

There will be a canny crowd at that.

In terms of the NEDCL, rather than it collapse and risk having clubs with nowhere to play could there be talks of a merger with the DCL? Or would teams go to the Darlington/ West Tyne leagues (nearest small ones I can think of)



Durham don't have a game between Sep 8 and Sep 19. Might Collingwood be free for it

Out of the catchment areas for other leagues, with a few exceptions. So it's DCL or nowt really.

Or the DCL could relegate a single team from DCL1 to DCL 2 with promotion as normal.

That wouldn't work either. The scenario I'm alluding to is in the event of a play off.

Let's take this hypothetical situation.

- Swalwell win NTSL
- Tudhoe win DCL1
- Mainsforth get relegated from NEPL1 (and opt to go into DCL)
- Littletown & Bill Quay get relegated from
DCL 1 to DCL 2 (as per current rules).

Swalwell play off against Tudhoe and Swalwell win, thus gaining promotion from NTSCL and Tudhoe staying put in DCL.

This situation leaves DCL1 with 12 teams and DCL2 still with 11 (following houghton folding).

Let's now say Mainsforth opt to return to DCL (appratenly the can choose to go into league they come from) - now DCL1 goes up to 13 teams.

Unless DCL relegated the team finishing 3rd bottom. Let's say this team is Dawdon as it stands.

Would Dawdon be happy being relegated against all current rules? I know we wouldn't be and would put up an alrighty fight, as would Bill Quay and Horden probably.

So let's say DCL gets Mainsforth back, doesn't relegate Dawdon this leaving 13 in DCL1 and 11 in DCL2.

All feasible.

If NEDCL winners apply to go up, say that's Hunwick for theory sake, then as per new Pyramid rules provided criteria is met, the DCL2 will accept them thus making 12 in DCL2 again.

I can see the above happening unless a club voluntarily drops down from DCL1 to DCL2 (unlikely) or voluntarily drops from DCL2 to NEDCL1 (a possibility of a club is struggling to put a 2nd XI out as an example - but not certain that would happen).[/QUOTE]
That's what I'm saying instead of relegating Dawson to even out the numbers. Bill Quay would remain in DCL 1 making it once again two divisions of 12.

 

[brandon]

I may be missing something, but it seems quite straightforward to me, based on my experience of Northern League football - and the wider football pyramid.

If the DCL team loses the playoff, yet Mainsforth need to be relegated, then DCL1 operates with one team more than it does now - 13.

I agree with your method Rob, I'd hope that's the solution they come to anyway, not try to force relegation on teams that have avoided it according to the agreed rules at the start of the season.

 

[ac arundez]

I may be missing something, but it seems quite straightforward to me, based on my experience of Northern League football - and the wider football pyramid.

If the DCL team loses the playoff, yet Mainsforth need to be relegated, then DCL1 operates with one team more than it does now - 13.

I agree with your method Rob, I'd hope that's the solution they come to anyway, not try to force relegation on teams that have avoided it according to the agreed rules at the start of the season.

No I agree with you on that. It's just the odd number of teams in both leagues then that some won't be happy with, i.e. 13 in DCL1 and 11 in DCL2 (or 12 if one comes up from NEDCL and none go down).

I know specifically that clubs at lower end of DCL2 avoided going for overseas players based on fact that there was no relegation this season due to houghton folding

 

[brandon]

No I agree with you on that. It's just the odd number of teams in both leagues then that some won't be happy with, i.e. 13 in DCL1 and 11 in DCL2 (or 12 if one comes up from NEDCL and none go down).

I know specifically that clubs at lower end of DCL2 avoided going for overseas players based on fact that there was no relegation this season due to houghton folding

It would be a fuck on like, but I think it would be the fairest solution on all clubs involved.

The logisitics of having 4 extra game days in DCL1 to that of DCL2 would give the organisers a headache, but I suspect they could start a week earlier, end a week later and have two double header weekends. Possibly using May and August bank holidays?

 

[ac arundez]

It would be a fuck on like, but I think it would be the fairest solution on all clubs involved.

The logisitics of having 4 extra game days in DCL1 to that of DCL2 would give the organisers a headache, but I suspect they could start a week earlier, end a week later and have two double header weekends. Possibly using May and August bank holidays?

Yeah I think you're right mate. It would certainly be the most fair solution for all involved. However it does leave the NEDCL potentially another team down which isn't great.

 

[robkitchuk]

No I agree with you on that. It's just the odd number of teams in both leagues then that some won't be happy with, i.e. 13 in DCL1 and 11 in DCL2 (or 12 if one comes up from NEDCL and none go down).

I know specifically that clubs at lower end of DCL2 avoided going for overseas players based on fact that there was no relegation this season due to houghton folding

That method does avoid an odd number of teams. Plus allows relatively normal promotion and relegation, between all leagues.

Yeah I think you're right mate. It would certainly be the most fair solution for all involved. However it does leave the NEDCL potentially another team down which isn't great.

Really continuing to undermine the whole pyramid is a unsustainable and in the long run damaging route to take. The NEDCL is struggling now. Let alone with the loss of at least one other club. It needs support not further erosion, otherwise that entry level will disappear.

 

[minty]

The NEDCL may gain teams as a few struggling to field two sides may look to join a league where they only need to field 1 team

Unfortunately they have probably went through this scenario and it will either be only 1 team promoted or 3 relegated to even the teams out. No way will they play with 13 / 11. May be 13/12 if someone came up but then you have the weather gods possibly determining promotion and relegation in the future

 

[Hilly]

Talk around the NEDCL is that Kimblesworth are wanting to go back up to the DCL at the first opportunity. So theoretically there might be 2 teams from the NEDCL who want to go up.

Whether they can go up is another matter though - they certainly won't do it through winning the league.

 

[pavarotti1980]

Durham don't have a game between Sep 8 and Sep 19. Might Collingwood be free for it

The league refused to let him play the other week on a free weekend for him and a similar thing for Mark Wood at Ashington. Not sure of the reasons but he was less than impressed on twitter

 

[Carteron]

The league refused to let him play the other week on a free weekend for him and a similar thing for Mark Wood at Ashington. Not sure of the reasons but he was less than impressed on twitter

Collingwood played the game for Shotley against Ashington that Wood was stopped from playing in.

Imagine rocking up to the ground as a batter after a night on the tiles, and Woody is horsing in at you.

 

[robkitchuk]

Talk around the NEDCL is that Kimblesworth are wanting to go back up to the DCL at the first opportunity. So theoretically there might be 2 teams from the NEDCL who want to go up.

Whether they can go up is another matter though - they certainly won't do it through winning the league.

I believe it's only the winning side now Hilly. But I'd heard that too.

 

[pavarotti1980]

Collingwood played the game for Shotley against Ashington that Wood was stopped from playing in.

Imagine rocking up to the ground as a batter after a night on the tiles, and Woody is horsing in at you.

Yeah he has played a couple of games for Shotley but was havign a right rant about players not playing for their home club etc.

I had the displeasure of facing Wood when he was playing for Tynedale in a cup game! Jesus it was quick

 

[Hilly]

I believe it's only the winning side now Hilly. But I'd heard that too.

I guess it depends what the DCL want to do next season.

The winner from the NEDCL would take the relegated teams spot, and Kimblesworth may make a case for taking Houghton's vacated spot from last year. I wouldn't like to see that happen though because it would leave the NEDCL very weak.

As it stands Kimblesworth 1sts and Kimblesworth 2nds are already going to be playing in the same league next year.