David Moyes' SAFC Record


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Who are these others who succeeded? Are you calling success staging a late run to scrape by every ear, while the squad gets more and more saddled with shite, the wage bill creeps up and up as we continue to sack managers and do a desperate patch up job? That's success?

We have spent 10 consecutive years in the PL, in which we have reached a cup final and finished in the top half once, given Short's ambition or lack of, for the club, that is relative success. It's clear that Short's vision has been to balance the books and take the PL money on the cheap, various managers have achieved this over the last few seasons despite there being an occasional chaotic feel about the situation.

Moyes, has still spent as much mid-table clubs and saddled us with some hopeless acquisitions with no resale value. His remit will not have been relegation, it will not have been not to score in more than half of the games he has been in charge of and it will not have been alienate the fanbase.

Short may not care anymore, but David Moyes has failed here, any other club in the country would have sacked him by now, it's because Short has no feeling left for the club, and won't pay him off, that he is still here. His performance has been shocking.
 
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need a complete restart once we go down. moyes has come into a shit situation and has done shit. clear out the shite that should have been moved on years ago and give it to someone without ptsd to get the job done.
 
You seriously define stopping up in a desperate late dash as success? Even when each has left a harder and harder job for their predecessor, year on year?

In comparison to a long drawn out relegation, of course its success :lol:

I could take us going down if it was with a fight and he'd bought a load of young lads from the Championship, blending them in with a clear game plan and we were losing games unluckily. But we haven't. He's bought a load of has beens or players that simply aren't up to scratch and don't look like being good enough for this level. We also lose games far too easily and have no clear method. He's finished.
 
So you think he's made things better? Or has he added to the issues that need addressing?

I think he's been caught on the hop by a bad situation that got worse and worse. Literally everything that could have gone against us this season, has. In short, our luck has ran out. Five years plus of the managerial merry go round - the problems of a squad that's constantly being patched up in short term, emergency transfer policies, have finally come to a head.

Anyone who's had their eyes open since 2010 saw this coming a mile off. If it wasn't Moyes, it would have been the one after. Every time a manager left and was replaced, the underlying problems got worse.

He just had to keep us up - like all the managers before him in the last decade.

That would be a cracking argument, of they'd all managed the same players in the same circumstances.
 
I think he's been caught on the hop by a bad situation that got worse and worse. Literally everything that could have gone against us this season, has. In short, our luck has ran out. Five years plus of the managerial merry go round - the problems of a squad that's constantly being patched up in short term, emergency transfer policies, have finally come to a head.

Anyone who's had their eyes open since 2010 saw this coming a mile off. If it wasn't Moyes, it would have been the one after. Every time a manager left and was replaced, the underlying problems got worse.

Apart from Sam taking over from Dick eh?
 
Apart from Sam taking over from Dick eh?

No, including when Sam took over from Dick. Another short term escape acted papering over another step towards a patch up squad assembled by a growing list of recent managers. More on the wage bill, deeper and deeper into the shit.

What is the objective of Moyes long term job?

I hope that it's to put a plan together to clear the shit out over one or two years, get a clear and cohesive plan together for the whole club, and build something that's not requiring a constant annual fire fight.

Even if it's not Moyes who does it, it'll have to be the next one, because we cannot keep sacking people a year into a job. Not when the job is one that's going to take someone 4-5 years to get right.
 
No, including when Sam took over from Dick. Another short term escape acted papering over another step towards a patch up squad assembled by a growing list of recent managers. More on the wage bill, deeper and deeper into the shit.

But it wasn't.

He signed Kone, Khazri and Kirchhoff, selling Pants.

Kone will be sold for a massive profit, Kirchhoff was less than 300k and I'd be surprised if we don't get a significant fee for Khazri.

This was the one appointment that worked. We lost three games in 2016 under him. We're a million miles away from this time last year.

Moyes had money to spend and pissed it up the wall. Joleon f***ing Lescott. You could have given me a squad number and I'd have contributed the same for a fraction of the cost.
 
That would be a cracking argument, of they'd all managed the same players in the same circumstances.
You said safc is not a club were someone can come in and be successful in a year. What do you class as success considering Moyes has brought about a failure all the other managers avoided?
 
He could yet end up with the 6th lowest points total since the league started. These are the ten worst totals. I'm sure all of those 10 had their off the field problems and I'm sure none of them left the same bloke in charge for the whole season. A whole season of such shitness being delivered by one manager will be truely unique.

Bradford 26
West Brom 26
QPR 25
Wolves 25
Watford 24
Portsmouth 19
Sunderland 19
Villa 17
Sunderland 15
Derby 11

He's also making such ridiculous comments that he's even managing to get on the main news. How utterly shit does he have to be to get the sack? What more could he do?
 
I'm not the one claiming that he should be judged now - quite the opposite. It's a long term job and I've never argued any different.

What has he done at Sunderland to show he's the right man for the long term job?

Things he's done well this season:
In your own words "not sell Kone" and "being unlucky Anichebe got injured" :lol:

Things he's failed at this season:
Absolutely everything else.

Clearly the right man for the job
 
But it wasn't.

He signed Kone, Khazri and Kirchhoff, selling Pants.

Kone will be sold for a massive profit, Kirchhoff was less than 300k and I'd be surprised if we don't get a significant fee for Khazri.

This was the one appointment that worked. We lost three games in 2016 under him. We're a million miles away from this time last year.

Moyes had money to spend and pissed it up the wall. Joleon f***ing Lescott. You could have given me a squad number and I'd have contributed the same for a fraction of the cost.

Moyes got relative pennies given the number of players we needed to bring in. If he'd been as lucky as Allardyce to keep Kirchoff and Catta fit, it would have made a huge difference. Let's not forget how shit we were under Allardyce for long periods either. Plenty on this board called for him to be sacked pre-Christmas and into January.

If you think we'll be selling Kone or Khazri for a "massive profit", I fear you're in for a shock.
 
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