Danny Graham on O’Neil & Di Canio


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Do we really need someone like Danny Graham to confirm what we already know?

The evidence of a bad attitude in the squad was always there. They raised their game against the mags and the last half dozen games of the season. Reeks of disrespect for the fan-base (The daft twats don't care as long we beat the mags), and pulling themselves together to avoid a relegation wage drop. Is it such a stretch to imagine they were out on the piss half the time?

We didn't help ourselves singing plodders mind, we had this obsession with signing British players from relegated or nearly relegated clubs and putting them on big (for them) wages.

These players know they're never going to achieve anything, there was no ambition. They did the bare minimum.
EDIT: To add to the above. I think we got it fairly right under Keane. Went up and stayed up with a group of hardworking ambitious players. But we didn't have the foundation there to go and sign them 'flair' players (Diouf, Chimbonda) so it went tits up. Luckily we managed to save it under Bruce and a lot of spending. Ultimately we didn't get the success Short thought we should have with that spend and he pulled the plug. From then on we couldn't/wouldn't pay the wages for the better players, so ended up signing plodder after plodder (despite actually spending decent sums in the transfer market). That led to the managerial merry go round, and the toxic culture in the squad.
 
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Sick of people going over old ground

Di canio, is a nutter, fascist Arsehole and the worst manager we have ever had

Not sure why graham is talking about this while he is employed by the club mind
Absolutely not. I think if you look at all the managers in Sunderland's history there are those with fewer points won percentages than Di Canio. The rest is your opinion of his character.
 
The mocking is because he was an abysmal manager. His tactics were pathetic - 424 against Arsenal with David Vaughan in midfield. An insistence on playing wingers on their opposites side which meant McClean - one of the most one footed players we've ever had - on the right and Larsson on the left, who'd played central midfield all season and was never that kind of winger. Everyone could see there were issues in the squad and a big drinking culture and he was right to address them, but we also had some good professionals who cared about the club and he treat them all like shit and introduced bullshit rules, like the players weren't allowed to speak to the ground staff on match days yet he made a point of shaking their hands instead. He claimed he had control of transfers but then denied it when they turned out to be shit, except the ones that did well he took the credit for.

But all of that is ignored by his fan club and the same line trotted out that he had them sussed as if that was all that mattered.

Di Canio cared so much about SAFC he waited til the week of the cup final before giving his first interview shit stirring saying O'Shea had slagged all the players off behind their backs. You can't tell me that wasn't deliberately planned to disrupt us before the final.

Anyway, it's the managers job to get the best out the players short, medium and long term. He completely failed. Poyet managed to get a tune out of them.
The 8-0 at Southampton and 3-0 at Hull were indeed unforgettable tunes.
 
The mocking is because he was an abysmal manager. His tactics were pathetic - 424 against Arsenal with David Vaughan in midfield. An insistence on playing wingers on their opposites side which meant McClean - one of the most one footed players we've ever had - on the right and Larsson on the left, who'd played central midfield all season and was never that kind of winger. Everyone could see there were issues in the squad and a big drinking culture and he was right to address them, but we also had some good professionals who cared about the club and he treat them all like shit and introduced bullshit rules, like the players weren't allowed to speak to the ground staff on match days yet he made a point of shaking their hands instead. He claimed he had control of transfers but then denied it when they turned out to be shit, except the ones that did well he took the credit for.

But all of that is ignored by his fan club and the same line trotted out that he had them sussed as if that was all that mattered.

Di Canio cared so much about SAFC he waited til the week of the cup final before giving his first interview shit stirring saying O'Shea had slagged all the players off behind their backs. You can't tell me that wasn't deliberately planned to disrupt us before the final.

Anyway, it's the managers job to get the best out the players short, medium and long term. He completely failed. Poyet managed to get a tune out of them.

This, 100%.

Suppose for a moment that Di Canio did indeed 'have them sussed' and that this man who as a player used to walk off the training pitch in a sulk, ask to be substituted if the game was going badly, feign injuries before away games in the north of England, and push referees over, had indeed suddenly become someone who was the ultimate professional.

Any fucker can do that - it's about 1% of the f***ing job. :lol:

He showed zero ability to do anything about it whatsoever. His team selections were laughably bad. His playing style was like something out of non league football. He pissed off everyone at the club - including good, non playing staff, who he made to feel really inferior. He hated anyone else getting any credit to the point he rushed people off the pitch after his only home win so that he could preen in the centre circle. He thought Ji was a suitable replacement for Sessegnon so sold Sessegnon. A few days later he humiliated Ji (never seen again) by substituting him 2 minutes into the second half so that he could get booed, and a few days after that Sessegnon scored the winner against us. He bombed Cattermole out then brought him back again. His transfers were desperate, until they were desperate, then they were someone else's. He constantly criticised the players in public He constantly talked about himself in the third f***ing person, and spat on his own face in the dressing room.

And his results were f***ing shite.

So even once he 'had them sussed' he didn't have the coaching ability, the tactical nous, the ability to judge a player, the temperament, the emotional intelligence, the personality, or the leadership skills to ever do anything about it.

And some f***ing clowns want us to do what no other club anywhere in the world has done and offer him a job. :lol:
 
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Daft as the factory cat this dude. Successfully manages to produce something even worse than his football. Warra bell end
 
This, 100%.

Suppose for a moment that Di Canio did indeed 'have them sussed' and that this man who as a player used to walk off the training pitch in a sulk, ask to be substituted if the game was going badly, feign injuries before away games in the north of England, and push referees over, had indeed suddenly become someone who was the ultimate professional.

Any fucker can do that - it's about 1% of the f***ing job. :lol:

He showed zero ability to do anything about it whatsoever. His team selections were laughably bad. His playing style was like something out of non league football. He pissed off everyone at the club - including good, non playing staff, who he made to feel really inferior. He hated anyone else getting any credit to the point he rushed people off the pitch after his only home win so that he could preen in the centre circle. He thought Ji was a suitable replacement for Sessegnon so sold Sessegnon. A few days later he humiliated Ji (never seen again) by substituting him 2 minutes into the second half so that he could get booed, and a few days after that Sessegnon scored the winner against us. He bombed Cattermole out then brought him back again. His transfers were desperate, until they were desperate, then they were someone else's. He constantly criticised the players in public He constantly talked about himself in the third f***ing person, and spat on his own face in the dressing room.

And his results were f***ing shite.

So even once he 'had them sussed' he didn't have the coaching ability, the tactical nous, the ability to judge a player, the temperament, the emotional intelligence, the personality, or the leadership skills to ever do anything about it.

And some f***ing clowns want us to do what no other club anywhere in the world has done and offer him a job. :lol:

Yeah but apart from that he was alreet.
 
This, 100%.

Suppose for a moment that Di Canio did indeed 'have them sussed' and that this man who as a player used to walk off the training pitch in a sulk, ask to be substituted if the game was going badly, feign injuries before away games in the north of England, and push referees over, had indeed suddenly become someone who was the ultimate professional.

Any fucker can do that - it's about 1% of the f***ing job. :lol:

He showed zero ability to do anything about it whatsoever. His team selections were laughably bad. His playing style was like something out of non league football. He pissed off everyone at the club - including good, non playing staff, who he made to feel really inferior. He hated anyone else getting any credit to the point he rushed people off the pitch after his only home win so that he could preen in the centre circle. He thought Ji was a suitable replacement for Sessegnon so sold Sessegnon. A few days later he humiliated Ji (never seen again) by substituting him 2 minutes into the second half so that he could get booed, and a few days after that Sessegnon scored the winner against us. He bombed Cattermole out then brought him back again. His transfers were desperate, until they were desperate, then they were someone else's. He constantly criticised the players in public He constantly talked about himself in the third f***ing person, and spat on his own face in the dressing room.

And his results were f***ing shite.

So even once he 'had them sussed' he didn't have the coaching ability, the tactical nous, the ability to judge a player, the temperament, the emotional intelligence, the personality, or the leadership skills to ever do anything about it.

And some f***ing clowns want us to do what no other club anywhere in the world has done and offer him a job. :lol:

its like two bald blokes arguing over a comb

di canio - radge packet, not a very good football manager, passionate but no application

graham & co - f***ing cowardly wankers and can all go fuck themselves.
 
They were slow when they were young.

Hmm, not so sure Totti was slow when he was young but you may have a point with the others. They weren't so slow that they couldn't play elite level and in the cases of Fabregas and Alonso, in quite a fast paced league
 
I'm waffling on about Danny Graham. Wasn't it you telling me he's a hard worker and puts the effort in post match on Saturday?
He's really looked after himself, I've seen it 1st hand. There was no lack of effort on Saturday. There was definitely a lack of quality and pace which we knew about anyway.

Oh and I must point out I never wanted us to sign him either time.

So yes I'd say your waffling absolute shite which, tbf, isn't like you.
 
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