Could the pitch be lowered?


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Correct. Always thought the pitch was " miles " from the seats. Perhaps this was because the stadium design was cheaper this way rather than having tight corners.
For a relatively modest cost the South Stand could be reprofiled, made higher and steeper but without the extra tier of the North Stand.
It can't as it would not be compliant with the building regulations.

That space was needed to hit FIFA standards. Our stadium was right up there on standards when it was built and there will be no other stadium built since that has the fans closer but also has the same classification as the standards have never been changed.

Always makes me smile when club X claim their new stadium will have a steeper home end than everywhere else when the green guide and building regulations in this country forbid that and it would not get a safety certificate. Clubs might want to build steeper and closer to the pitch but the fact is they just can't.

Thats not just us its everyone.
 
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Agreed, it was out the back rather than underneath the Fulwell. Was still less hemmed in and cramped though than the lower bowl concourses at the SOL as it was open air.

The other thing, of course, was that people didn't hang around there as there were no restrictions on taking stuff back into the stand, and alcohol wasn't served.
 
Everton are insinuating theirs will be steeper but it wont when it opens, It will be the exact same rake on the seating as ours as that's the maximum that's legal. Oh and they will be the same distance from the pitch as we are.

The only two stadiums I can think of that are more 'compact' and 'steeper' are Heart of Midlothian and Notts County and that's because they both redeveloped their stadium before the green guide and the hillsborough disaster and the Bradford Fire. They got in early and got away with it.
 
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It can't as it would not be compliant with the building regulations.

That space was needed to hit FIFA standards. Our stadium was right up there on standards when it was built and there will be no other stadium built since that has the fans closer but also has the same classification as the standards have never been changed.

Always makes me smile when club X claim their new stadium will have a steeper home end than everywhere else when the green guide and building regulations in this country forbid that and it would not get a safety certificate. Clubs might want to build steeper and closer to the pitch but the fact is they just can't.

Thats not just us its everyone.

Does that apply to extensions on existing old bits? As surely the mags ground top bit is steeper (if it's not, it feels like it is) and was added on after the SoL was built.
 
It can't as it would not be compliant with the building regulations.

That space was needed to hit FIFA standards. Our stadium was right up there on standards when it was built and there will be no other stadium built since that has the fans closer but also has the same classification as the standards have never been changed.

Always makes me smile when club X claim their new stadium will have a steeper home end than everywhere else when the green guide and building regulations in this country forbid that and it would not get a safety certificate. Clubs might want to build steeper and closer to the pitch but the fact is they just can't.

Thats not just us its everyone.

Anything much steeper becomes a safety risk, particularly if the tier is large and there are no handrails on the stairs. It's very noticeable that tier 5 at Wembley (which seems vertiginous when you're up there) has rails on the staircases.
 
The answer is yes. But the tunnels would need restructuring

We could easily fill a 64k stadium if we dropped the season ticket prices to £100 a pop and £5 a ticket max price.
 
Does that apply to extensions on existing old bits? As surely the mags ground top bit is steeper (if it's not, it feels like it is) and was added on after the SoL was built.
It applies to everwhere old and new. It cannot be compromised as the club will not get a safety certificate.

PS - I have worked the design on a few Stadiums including our North Stand Extension and Spurs new Stadium plus a few smaller ones.
 
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Other new built stadiums where the pitch is ground level don't have 2 concourses. They have small staircases to take you into the main bowl
Possibly not, but I doubt their stands are ad big as ours. Also , their ground floor concourse will be much wider than ours. Twice the width actually.
 
Other new built stadiums where the pitch is ground level don't have 2 concourses. They have small staircases to take you into the main bowl
Just think about how much steelwork they saved by digging down man. A masterstroke in one way, but the surface area of the concourse was halved, causing overcrowding on busy games. The east and south stand look tiny on approach to the ground.
 
Does that apply to extensions on existing old bits? As surely the mags ground top bit is steeper (if it's not, it feels like it is) and was added on after the SoL was built.
Their upper tier will be at the maximum rake most likely as per our premier concourse and North Stand extension.
 
Just think about how much steelwork they saved by digging down man. A masterstroke in one way, but the surface area of the concourse was halved, causing overcrowding on busy games. The east and south stand look tiny on approach to the ground.
Saved some wedge on steelwork, (creating a pigpen of a concourse in the process and 2 mediocre looking stands from outside), but then perhaps those savings in turn enabled the funding for Murray’s celebrated gold taps…
 
Been in the away end at Newcastle too many times to mention and its higher than most places but its not steeper.
Saved some wedge on steelwork, (creating a pigpen of a concourse in the process and 2 mediocre looking stands from outside), but then perhaps those savings in turn enabled the funding for Murray’s celebrated gold taps…
What does it matter what the stands look like from the outside? The game occurs and the atmpsophere occurs on the inside.
 
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Been in the away end at Newcastle too many times to mention and its higher than most places but its not steeper.

What does it matter what the stands look like from the outside? The game occurs and the atmpsophere occurs on the inside.
It matters when the design of the stadium can't comfortably cope with fans at half time.
 
The South and East stands look crap inside and out.
Built on the cheap but Murray managed to deliver a large capacity stadium that 25 year ago looked impressive.
It can't as it would not be compliant with the building regulations.

That space was needed to hit FIFA standards. Our stadium was right up there on standards when it was built and there will be no other stadium built since that has the fans closer but also has the same classification as the standards have never been changed.

Always makes me smile when club X claim their new stadium will have a steeper home end than everywhere else when the green guide and building regulations in this country forbid that and it would not get a safety certificate. Clubs might want to build steeper and closer to the pitch but the fact is they just can't.

Thats not just us its everyone.
The rake of seating in the Premier Concourse is much steeper than the South Stand. Same at Wembley where the upper tiers are steeper. I take your point regarding distance of pitch from seats but I am not sure why stadium regs, from a health and safety perspective, would permit steeper seating higher up.
 
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I’ve seen a render of the ground fully extended before and it looked brilliant. Any idea where I’d find it? Tried googling but nothing.

Of course it’ll never happen.
 
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