Corruption or incompetence?


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We see it all the time when we play the big teams,or at old Trafford etc..the ref today was shocking..he ran back to giroud near the end when he was lying injured in our box when we are attacking there end blows for a free kick runs back to giroud let's him receive treatment instead of making him go off,then rather than make him leave the field by the goal area he allowed him to walk the breadth of the pitch to go off which is why PDC complained but the disallowed altidore goal just summed him up absolutely pathetic but we've lost at least a point and he looses not even a light sleep as winger will give him top marks and PDC will just be deemed a moaner banned for 2 games and fined...it was a f##king liberty the way he refereed the game today.
 
The rules state it has to be a CLEAR goal scoring opportunity to warrant a sending off.

It's non sequitur to assume that just because he does score that it was a clear opportunity,

That said, in this case it was a clear opportunity and he should have been sent off.
Make your mind up :lol:
 
Tbh did the ref blow that early? I looked at the ref just before jozy shot..... And I'm not sure he'd blown at that point. In fact I seem to remember seeing his whistle down by his side...... Eyes play tricks in moments like that like so probs wrong but that's def how I remember it.

Is there an even bigger error not been put forward.... The ref blew thinking the ball had been kicked off the line, awarding us a free kick as an advantage. Which undermines the whole goal line tech thing..... That's what I thought at the time anyhooooo.
 
Tbh did the ref blow that early? I looked at the ref just before jozy shot..... And I'm not sure he'd blown at that point. In fact I seem to remember seeing his whistle down by his side...... Eyes play tricks in moments like that like so probs wrong but that's def how I remember it.

Is there an even bigger error not been put forward.... The ref blew thinking the ball had been kicked off the line, awarding us a free kick as an advantage. Which undermines the whole goal line tech thing..... That's what I thought at the time anyhooooo.
He looks at his goal indicator watch just after the ball crosses the line.
 
Tbh did the ref blow that early? I looked at the ref just before jozy shot..... And I'm not sure he'd blown at that point. In fact I seem to remember seeing his whistle down by his side...... Eyes play tricks in moments like that like so probs wrong but that's def how I remember it.

Is there an even bigger error not been put forward.... The ref blew thinking the ball had been kicked off the line, awarding us a free kick as an advantage. Which undermines the whole goal line tech thing..... That's what I thought at the time anyhooooo.

The thing which compounds this whole situation is that he has absolutely no excuses. Even in your scenario he can call on the video evidence, if it's over the line give a goal.....if not, award the freekick and send Sagna off.

He's a cheat.
 
Indeed.

Imagine the lad had cleared off the line, we got a free kick and Gardner put it in the top corner. There'd be no issue.

The advantage rule is a difficult one.

Corruption doesn't even need to be discussed. Refereeing is a very very hard job. They do occasionally get things wrong.

it plainly does though because many on here feel that is just what they have witnessed. Refereeing is a hard job , that doesnt mean that every mistake is honestly made
 
So at the precise moment it's confirmed the ball went over the line he decides to pull it back for a freekick?

He'd blown his whistle long before that. He'd blown before Altidore even got past Sagna - not that it condones his decision.
 
So at the precise moment it's confirmed the ball went over the line he decides to pull it back for a freekick?

No, it was well before. Some folk just didn't hear it.

Excitement of the moment, or probably screaming "haway ref" at the top of their voices at the time. Either way, the whistle blew before Altidore was anywhere near getting back on the ball.
 
The rules state it has to be a CLEAR goal scoring opportunity to warrant a sending off.

It's non sequitur to assume that just because he does score that it was a clear opportunity,

That said, in this case it was a clear opportunity and he should have been sent off.

About time :lol: Thank you!
 
:lol: All I was saying is, although the conclusion was right, the reasoning behind the conclusion was flawed. :D
You remind me of that character in the fast show - the one in the pub who just agrees with every side of the argument :lol:
So at the precise moment it's confirmed the ball went over the line he decides to pull it back for a freekick?
No he had already blown, but he then looks at his watch thing a second after the ball crossed the line. Im guessing his watch told him it was a goal.
 
By committing the foul a goal scoring chance was denied. Fact. The ball went in. So how has the arsenal player remained on the pitch?

apparently Ref blew too early instead of playing advantage... 606 said as he'd blew he had to fetch play back despite the ball crossing the line ?
 
From the ref's position it must have looked like Altidore wouldn't be able to catch the ball in time to get the same kind of opportunity we would have from a free kick.

To me it felt like the ref had already waited a moment or two from the original foul before he blew, and probably had the whistle in his mouth for half of that to see what would happen.

Should definitely have been a sending off, and on another day the ref might have been slower blowing his whistle and we'd have had a goal out of it, but I can see why he blew at the particular moment that he did.

Sorry mate. Have to strongly disagree. I'm not sure you or the ref understand the advantage rule.
 
He'd blown his whistle long before that. He'd blown before Altidore even got past Sagna - not that it condones his decision.

Ah ok, sorry. In that case he can't give a goal but 1) he shouldn't have blown until the passage of play was over and 2) he should have sent Sagna off.

Raised this earlier, although I think Johnson was good today JOS would have been over howling at him to get the red card out and giving him no option. SEB probably would have too.
 
League 2 or the Conference shouldn't have the displeasure of having this twat take charge of their games. They should be banned, and referees who are proven to perform consistently up to scratch in the Football League given games in the top flight.

Atkinson, Friend and Webb...just a handful of the tossers who ruin games on a regular basis for 'lesser' clubs like us. I wish the FA would have the balls to properly punish poor performances of officials, not just 'relegate' them.
 
Sorry mate. Have to strongly disagree. I'm not sure you or the ref understand the advantage rule.

Fair enough, I wouldn't claim to know the wording of the rulebook from beginning to end, so I'm willing to be educated if you feel like explaining it.

As far as I was concerned the order was...

1. Sagna fouls Altidore and keeps hold
2. Altidore turns round to face Sagna and looks to have lost the run of the ball
3. Ref blows the whistle just as Altidore gets free of Sagna's grip
4. Altidore turns back towards the ball and manages to catch it and put it in the net

So to my understanding of the rule, the ref had decided Altidore wouldn't catch the ball again after turning round (at position 2. in the list above), and so blew the whistle thinking the move was over.

The whistle had probably been in his mouth since not long after the start of the foul, and in my mind the advantage had been played for a second already but ref had held off blowing until he thought Altidore was done chasing the ball.
 
Fair enough, I wouldn't claim to know the wording of the rulebook from beginning to end, so I'm willing to be educated if you feel like explaining it.

As far as I was concerned the order was...

1. Sagna fouls Altidore and keeps hold
2. Altidore turns round to face Sagna and looks to have lost the run of the ball
3. Ref blows the whistle just as Altidore gets free of Sagna's grip
4. Altidore turns back towards the ball and manages to catch it and put it in the net

So to my understanding of the rule, the ref had decided Altidore wouldn't catch the ball again after turning round (at position 2. in the list above), and so blew the whistle thinking the move was over.

The whistle had probably been in his mouth since not long after the start of the foul, and in my mind the advantage had been played for a second already but ref had held off blowing until he thought Altidore was done chasing the ball.

I don't "buy" into your points marra. No offense. I didnt see it that way.

Anyways here's the rule.

The referee may play advantage whenever an infringement or offence occurs.
The referee should consider the following circumstances in deciding whether to apply the advantage or stop play:
~ The severity of the offense. If its a straight red then you can stop play and issue the red.
~ the position where the offence was committed: the closer to the opponent's goal, the more effective it can be
~the chances of an immediate, promising attack
~ the atmosphere of the match
The decision to penalise the original offence must be taken within a few
seconds.
If the offence warrants a caution, it must be issued at the next stoppage.
However, unless there is a clear advantage, it is recommended that the referee stops play and cautions the player immediately. If the caution is NOT issued at the next stoppage, it cannot be shown later.


It can't get any clearer mate.
 
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