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Make what up?

The Sunderland Echo carried the article on the front page. also the AOL bit was true. He ahd to go cap in hand to the Council to use Crowtree. Well discussed on here at the time.

You can apologise anytime. :)

you are a nutter with a huge chip on his shoulder. you are twisting the details to suit your bitter argument. last post to you, cant be arsed with you tonight
 
Would you care to respond to Perry's post #134.
Respond to what? The fact that SAFc under Murray didnt know how to handle protestors and yet Quinny seesm to have had no problems?

you are a nutter with a huge chip on his shoulder. you are twisting the details to suit your bitter argument. last post to you, cant be arsed with you tonight
I've twisted nothing. I merely stated a truth and you dont like it. Anyway - goodnight. Sleep well. ;)
 
Respond to what? The fact that SAFc under Murray didnt know how to handle protestors and yet Quinny seesm to have had no problems?

I've twisted nothing. I merely stated a truth and you dont like it. Anyway - goodnight. Sleep well. ;)

So who created the Aol? Bob or Niall? :confused:
 
Respond to what? The fact that SAFc under Murray didnt know how to handle protestors and yet Quinny seesm to have had no problems?

I've twisted nothing. I merely stated a truth and you dont like it. Anyway - goodnight. Sleep well. ;)


You stated the AOL was a farce.

Perry goes to the trouble of posting chapter and verse and you conveniently ignore it.

It would appear that your festering hatred of Murray is making you disingenuous.
 
You stated the AOL was a farce.

Perry goes to the trouble of posting chapter and verse and you conveniently ignore it.

It would appear that your festering hatred of Murray is making you disingenuous.

That would appear to be the case.

You can argue opinion, you can argue personal memories and you can argue theories but there are only so many facts you can argue before you begin to look foolish.
 
You stated the AOL was a farce.

Perry goes to the trouble of posting chapter and verse and you conveniently ignore it.

It would appear that your festering hatred of Murray is making you disingenuous.
The AOL was a farce. In fact it couldnt be called an "Academy" because it didnt have a training barn - thats how much of a farce it was.

Great idea to build a structure for £20m or whatever it was and then find out that you couldnt finish the project and had to leave it to the next Chairman to sort the mess out.

Imagine going cap in hand to the council to use a defunct sports complex as your training barn. :lol::oops:

Unfortunately none of this stuff is made up although some of it is so incredible that I'm not surprised people accuse you of making it up. It normally doesnt happen anywhere else but did at Sunderland. :confused:

That would appear to be the case.

You can argue opinion, you can argue personal memories and you can argue theories but there are only so many facts you can argue before you begin to look foolish.
Cant see how you can look foolish for telling the truth. It all happened and was all discussed on here as such farces unfolded. However it doesnt fit certain peoples revisionist views on that era.
 
It all happened and was all discussed on here as such farces unfolded. However it doesnt fit certain peoples revisionist views on that era.

I just think this makes us look bitter and mean ....... surely we can just praise the man for what he did, on this day, rather than crucify him for what he didn't.

Sorry, but it reminds me of when the Mags booed Bobby Robson.
 
The AOL was a farce. In fact it couldnt be called an "Academy" because it didnt have a training barn - thats how much of a farce it was....

...Cant see how you can look foolish for telling the truth. It all happened and was all discussed on here as such farces unfolded. However it doesnt fit certain peoples revisionist views on that era.

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The facts are murray saved us from the tyranny of tom cowie when the club was at a low ebb and going under. At a time when nobody was willing or able to run our illustrious football club he stepped into the breach and steadied the ship and ran it as best he could within his resources. There was never a queue of entrepreneurs waiting to takeover the club. And remember he isnt any sugar daddy gazillioniare, he's a working class guy from crook who built his own company from scratch with modest turnover and profit. We simply didnt have the resources to compete with newcastle utd at the time when john hall was pumping millions into their team and i recon loads of people judged him on that. In reality the money was never there.

He secured the building of the new stadium and the AOL on a affordable budget, when people like John Hall was pushing us to redevelop roker.
Finally he sold the football club for a fraction of the price he could have got because he knew quinny and his investors were the right people to sell it to.
I recon he'll admit himself mistakes were made along the way, but who doesnt make mistakes in life?
 
Doesn't matter - form (and crowd size) is temporary. I assume you've heard Quinn say how important it was to Drumaville that the ground was already extended? Well done Bob.



We were not and have never been a laughing stock except in the imaginations of our own fans who don't have enough else to think about in their lives. NUFC have been/still are a laughing stock, SAFC never - the country sees SAFC as a well run club, sensibly and professionally run with good principles, whatever the seasonal ups and downs. That's been the case for years, hence RSM being dragged into all sorts of national football projects. Well done Bob.



Nothing. To buyers, who did their due diligence, the club was financially sound with a very healthy future within reach. Hence Drumaville, hence Short. Contrast with the unsellable NUFC. Well done again, Bob.



We pulled Roy Keane - a fairly big name. Our pulling power is increasing all the time, and what does every single one cite as a major attraction - the world class facilities. Well done Bob.



So you'd agree that the following aren't reasonable or objective::




RSM built superb foundations without which, as he is the first to acknowledge, Quinn would not even have tried to establish Sunderland as a natural PL team. Well done again, Sir Robert of Sunderland.

That's the great thing about History, I suppose. Two people can look at the exact same evidence yet interpret it in completely different ways and arrive at very different conclusions. Who is to say who is "right"? I stand by my initial comments though. Good man, poor chairman.
 
That's the great thing about History, I suppose. Two people can look at the exact same evidence yet interpret it in completely different ways and arrive at very different conclusions. Who is to say who is "right"? I stand by my initial comments though. Good man, poor chairman.

I'm starting to believe that fans who live and work among Mags may be more likely to believe this 'laughing stock' theory.

As you've already suggested, one man's 'asking the council' is another man's 'going cap in hand.'

Whatever mistakes and hesitation Murray may be guilty of I'm 100% sure that he always had the best interests of the club at heart .......... the way some people demonise him he'd have been better off turning his back and concentrating on his business.

Where do we all think the club would be if he had?
 
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I'm starting to believe that fans who live and work among Mags may be more likely to believe this 'laughing stock' theory.

As you've already suggested, one man's 'asking the council' is another man's 'going cap in hand.'

Whatever mistakes and hesitation Murray may be guilty of I'm 100% sure that he always had the best interests of the club at heart .......... the way some people demonise him he'd have been better off turning his back and concentrating on his business.

Where do we all think the club would be if he had?
TBF its not often that SAFC are associated with a "Sir" so his day out at the Palace today will reflect credit on our football club.

However my posts and others demonstrate that there is an alternative view to the bloke and in the end its an opinion being expressed.

Time to close yet another thread on the subject of our ex Chairman and wish him the best for the future. The rumours are that the bloke doesnt enjoy the best of health so hopefully he'll enjoy his time at the SOL when he turns up for the games.

I guess being the Chief of SAFC isnt an easy job and mistakes, like life is, get made.

He's now arisen as Sir Bob so best of luck to the bloke.

End of thread.
 
TBF its not often that SAFC are associated with a "Sir" so his day out at the Palace today will reflect credit on our football club.

However my posts and others demonstrate that there is an alternative view to the bloke and in the end its an opinion being expressed.

Time to close yet another thread on the subject of our ex Chairman and wish him the best for the future. The rumours are that the bloke doesnt enjoy the best of health so hopefully he'll enjoy his time at the SOL when he turns up for the games.

I guess being the Chief of SAFC isnt an easy job and mistakes, like life is, get made.

He's now arisen as Sir Bob so best of luck to the bloke.

End of thread.

Well that's us mere mortals told isn't it :eek:

Does TeamOfTalents get a say, as the OP, or have we all been sent to bed?
 
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How many times have we done this thread man? Carry on like but I've certainly had my say (you'll be pleased to know)

I've no idea but you've still had plenty to say which isn't necessarily the final, or conclusive word.

There may well be other people who wanted to have their say, or newcomers to the site, until you came along and closed it to comments.
 
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I'm starting to believe that fans who live and work among Mags may be more likely to believe this 'laughing stock' theory.

As you've already suggested, one man's 'asking the council' is another man's 'going cap in hand.'

Whatever mistakes and hesitation Murray may be guilty of I'm 100% sure that he always had the best interests of the club at heart .......... the way some people demonise him he'd have been better off turning his back and concentrating on his business.

Where do we all think the club would be if he had?

Well I was brought up amongst mags and most of my friends are mags now as a result. I must admit I do think we were a national laughing stock when Murray left. We were in a right state. Half empty stadium, literlaly, dreadful team, no manager of any real repute willing to come anywhere near us, Bury etc. Got nowt to do with the mags or what they think, but just my opinion.

I am not interested in demonizing Murray. He was a good man who did his best. But I just think he proved again and again that his best wasn't anywhere near good enough really. He wasted so many opportunities and failed to learn so many lessons. So whilst I won't demonize him, I won't rewrite history in his favour either just because he is a nice chap.
 
Well I was brought up amongst mags and most of my friends are mags now as a result. I must admit I do think we were a national laughing stock when Murray left. We were in a right state. Half empty stadium, literlaly, dreadful team, no manager of any real repute willing to come anywhere near us, Bury etc. Got nowt to do with the mags or what they think, but just my opinion.

I am not interested in demonizing Murray. He was a good man who did his best. But I just think he proved again and again that his best wasn't anywhere near good enough really. He wasted so many opportunities and failed to learn so many lessons. So whilst I won't demonize him, I won't rewrite history in his favour either just because he is a nice chap.

As they say, form is temporary, class is permanent. Murray left us with class. Even if the form was at a low ebb when he left, it was easily fixed.
 
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