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Agreed. Lousy chairman.

He was a hopeless chairman and almost saw the club into administration. He heaped humiliation, upon humiliation on SAFC - 3rd division football, 15 point and 19 point seasons. His knighthood obviously isnt for services to SAFC.

He certainly picked his fair share of shite managers that's for sure.

Agreed. Lousy chairman.

He was a hopeless chairman and almost saw the club into administration. He heaped humiliation, upon humiliation on SAFC - 3rd division football, 15 point and 19 point seasons.

His knighthood obviously isnt for services to SAFC.

You're blaming him for that? :lol:
 
i remember reading about him being attacked in a restaurant by a sunderland fan a few years ago.......he didn't deserve that....and the way he vetted the club's buyers, proves he is a top man....
 
And that's why he was shite, he had the right intentions but not the right business skills for the football world.
Whatever highs he provided there were also lows, the only things he did good for the club was build the SOL (although i'm still not convinced we should have moved) using EU grants and selling to Drumaville.
If he had any acumen he could have sought investors at the peak of Reids finishes, but he either couldn't or wouldn't and we went down hill quickly.
So quickly the club was 4 weeks from administration uintil Quinny took over, source,Niall Quinn.

:lol: Really? I'm astounded. :eek:
 
Get to fuck man - utter failure. 20 odd years and delivered next to nowt. Just as well he built the stadium or youd all be really struggling to find anything to hang your hats on with him. He couldnt even be arsed to sell 1992 FAC final souvenirs.

Tight as they come.

However carry on....plenty on here with very short memories. I know what I'd be doing with the sword tomorrow. :lol:

No worse than what happened the previous 30 years. He took over at our lowest ebb and got us into the top flight three times. He wasn't brilliant but then what went before was pretty hopeless. (Except one cup run)

As for the Stadium. He DID build it.

When he did take over there was no one else.
 
Not true. Murray had the opportunity to invest when we finished seventh twice, but gave us all that chat about football finances. The season after that we finished 17th, Murray panicked and let Reid spend a fortune on shite.

Newcastle and Leeds are actually in a much worse position than Sunderland now.

tidied for ye. ;)
 
Not true. Murray had the opportunity to invest when we finished seventh twice, but gave us all that chat about football finances. The season after that we finished 17th, Murray panicked and let Reid spend a fortune on shite.

Newcastle and Leeds are actually in less debt than Sunderland now.

Even if that statement is true, and you would need access to all three clubs' balance sheets to confirm it, then it has very little relevance when taken out of context.

The last time I looked, both LUFC and NUFC were tenants of their respective grounds.

Ellis Short owns the gaff.
 
Even if that statement is true, and you would need access to all three clubs' balance sheets to confirm it, then it has very little relevance when taken out of context.

The last time I looked, both LUFC and NUFC were tenants of their respective grounds.

Ellis Short owns the gaff.

Smoker is, qu'elle surprise, talking shite. Just last May Newcastle announced they owed £111m to Mike Ashley alone, and had a further £35.8m debt with the bank.

http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/news/north-east-news/2010/05/02/newcastle-united-accounts-reveal-111m-debt-79310-26358985/

By comparison, Ellis Short capitalised a £48m loan (which is likely to be all he had invested up until that point) he had given us into shares, and reduced our bank debts.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/mar/04/sunderland-make-a-loss
 
Sell almost a hundred years of history down the pan because i can't find investers,fuck off.
I take it you weren't a regular at Roker Park.

What exactly would have been the point of staying at Roker?

Fail to understand your point because to make it an all seater stadium capable of a 40k+ capacity not one stand would have remained.

And that doesn't even get into the problems faced by redeveloping in that area.

Smoker is, qu'elle surprise, talking shite. Just last May Newcastle announced they owed £111m to Mike Ashley alone, and had a further £35.8m debt with the bank.

http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/news/north-east-news/2010/05/02/newcastle-united-accounts-reveal-111m-debt-79310-26358985/

By comparison, Ellis Short capitalised a £48m loan (which is likely to be all he had invested up until that point) he had given us into shares, and reduced our bank debts.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/mar/04/sunderland-make-a-loss

Glad someone pointed that out, Newcastle less debt than us ffs :lol:
 
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Smoker is, qu'elle surprise, talking shite. Just last May Newcastle announced they owed £111m to Mike Ashley alone, and had a further £35.8m debt with the bank.

http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/news/nor...ted-accounts-reveal-111m-debt-79310-26358985/

By comparison, Ellis Short capitalised a £48m loan (which is likely to be all he had invested up until that point) he had given us into shares, and reduced our bank debts.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/mar/04/sunderland-make-a-loss

Smoker's talking even more shite than I suspected.

Oh, and the very best of luck unravelling cuddly Ken's financial cobweb at Leeds.

Some posters on this board never fail to amaze me.
 
What exactly would have been the point of staying at Roker?

Fail to understand your point because to make it an all seater stadium capable of a 40k+ capacity not one stand would have remained.

And that doesn't even get into the problems faced by redeveloping in that area.



Glad someone pointed that out, Newcastle less debt than us ffs :lol:

You and I love our research, marra. Hardly difficult to find some solid facts out there yet some people are just happy hover their fingers over a keyboard and type any old shite. :lol:
 
Comments about 'utter failure' and using NUFC to show where Murray 'got it wrong' are unworthy of Sunderland fans. If NUFC are being used as an example of how to 'get it right' then I'm lost for words.

Murray was a non-football man who did what he thought was best and tried under very difficult circumstances. He was number 1 on a list of 1 who had the courage to take on a wreck of a club ....... suggesting that 'he threw it all away' suggests that there was something to throw.

Murray did his best to manage Reid, where others had failed miserably, and Sunderland had a go under Murray. The fact that it went wrong has something to do with Murray but to blame him entirely ignores the malaise that existed at the club for decades and still lingers on.

Bob Murray, son of a Consett steelworker and a Sunderland fan.

Sir Bob, cheers to you :-D

He certainly picked his fair share of shite managers that's for sure.

There has been people, on here, recently crying out for Sunderland to appoint everyone from Roy Hodgson to Phil Brown ....... Murray could only bring in managers who actually wanted to come to a dodgy old club without any real money.

What choice did Murray have?
 
Of course he didn't. By the time he left us we were the same old shite as the club he walked into but just in a much nicer Stadium. When he sold up we were a national laughing stock (the second time during his reign), no proper footballers, not even a manager, fans embarrassed and engulfed in apathy, and in all likelihood plumetting down the divisions.

He deserves enourmous credit for what he did with the Stadium. He had enough about him to recognise that Roker Park was a milestone around the club's neck that we needed to be free of. But he built a Stadium, not a football club.

We were in good enough shape, as a club, for a questionable manager to get us back to the PL instantly, with a few new (and mainly mediocre) players.

SNQ wouldn't have bought the club otherwise, he's said so many times. I have no doubt you know best though.
 
He certainly picked his fair share of shite managers that's for sure.

There has been people, on here, recently crying out for Sunderland to appoint everyone from Roy Hodgson to Phil Brown ....... Murray could only bring in managers who actually wanted to come to a dodgy old club without any real money.

What choice did Murray have?
 
We were in good enough shape, as a club, for a questionable manager to get us back to the PL instantly, with a few new (and mainly mediocre) players.

SNQ wouldn't have bought the club otherwise, he's said so many times. I have no doubt you know best though.

Keane blew into the club like a force of nature and was pretty much his will that dragged the club off its knees that season. Quinn couldn't do it without Keane or someone with similar impact.

I am perfeclty happy to give Murray huge credit for the Stadium and the dilligence when it came to identifying a suitable buyer, but he didn't build a football club here any more than Sam Longson built Derby County in the 70s. He is a good man, and his knighthood is richly deserved, but he was an absolutely awful football chairman.
 
There has been people, on here, recently crying out for Sunderland to appoint everyone from Roy Hodgson to Phil Brown ....... Murray could only bring in managers who actually wanted to come to a dodgy old club without any real money.

What choice did Murray have?

I was making the point that Micmac seems to escape any blame for the 19 and 15 point seasons mate. ;) Well done Bob Murray, unfortunately not rich enough to be a premiership manager.

edit: Oh, and in a worse financial position than Newcastle and Leeds? :eek: :lol:
 
I was making the point that Micmac seems to escape any blame for the 19 and 15 point seasons mate. ;) Well done Bob Murray, unfortunately not rich enough to be a premiership manager.

edit: Oh, and in a worse financial position than Newcastle and Leeds? :eek: :lol:

I never believed Murray ever wanted to be at Sunderland in that capacity ........ I think he was just a fan who tried to help and he must have wondered, at times, why he'd bothered.
 
Keane blew into the club like a force of nature and was pretty much his will that dragged the club off its knees that season. Quinn couldn't do it without Keane or someone with similar impact.

I am perfeclty happy to give Murray huge credit for the Stadium and the dilligence when it came to identifying a suitable buyer, but he didn't build a football club here any more than Sam Longson built Derby County in the 70s. He is a good man, and his knighthood is richly deserved, but he was an absolutely awful football chairman.

Is that the same Keane that's struggled for 2 seasons at Ipswich? I wonder what the difference is.

It's an absolute riot that you don't consider the stadium, the audience/revenue it facilitates, the training facilities, the profile, the supporting infrastructure (medical facilities, classrooms, corporate, etc), the financial position, the ownership, the pulling power, etc, etc, part of "a football club" that has to be built and sustained.

What else is there? Players? Nope - they're both transient, and the end result of all of the above anyway, so ultimately RSM gets credit there too.

You argued with me for weeks that Keane left SAFC honourably and with the best intentions, and then had to admit you were wrong. You're wrong here too. Luckily RSM understood how to build for long term success (the tortoise, to the NUFC/LUFC hare), and had the bottle to cope with the inevitable accompanying shit and shouting numpties who didn't/don't/never will.
 
I don't think any Chairman(old money)/Owner comes into a club with the sole intention of running it into the ground. It's just the blokes with the money have applied a formula in business, and it's worked - but it doesn't always work in football... it's not just a another business venture.

I remember when the ground move was first tabled, and I think the majority of the opinion was 'let's get it right on the field first' - at the time, I felt that way too, watching sides under Butcher, Buxton was at times excruciating.

I think Bob was quoted around that time saying something along the lines of 'the stadium is everything'. Bob pushed on with the Stadium.. once we got there, Bob was out of his financial league - he didnt have the cash to invest in a team that matched our surroundings, but he'd laid down the foundations for where we are.

Would Ellis or Drumaville before him have been interested in investing in a club in a knackered, run down Stadium?

Build it and they will come.
 
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