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When Sunderland and leeds were promoted together , if memory serves correct Rysdale was chairman of Leeds.
He started spending a fortune and gained some short term success . Sir Bob was crucified for not doing the same . At the time he said Leeds were taking too big a risk and to judge him 10 years on .
Look where Leeds are now !!!!!!!!
Sir Bob was right . Sure he errred too far on the side of caution but we are now benefitting from his long term planning , fantastic stadium and the Academy of light producing it's first home grown international .
I'd say we have a lot to thank the gentleman for !!
 
From the moment he took charge to the time he left the ball game changed, he was not rich enough to cope with the ball change.

Was he ever rich enough to achieve anymore than he did

And that's why he was shite, he had the right intentions but not the right business skills for the football world.
Whatever highs he provided there were also lows, the only things he did good for the club was build the SOL (although i'm still not convinced we should have moved) using EU grants and selling to Drumaville.
If he had any acumen he could have sought investors at the peak of Reids finishes, but he either couldn't or wouldn't and we went down hill quickly.
So quickly the club was 4 weeks from administration uintil Quinny took over, source,Niall Quinn.
 
I remember a statement from Murray a few years backs, when we clammering to spend money, he came out with this gem, comparing us to were Leeds and Newcastle would be be in 5 years time.
Maybe in hindsight what he said made sense.

Personally I can forgive most things, but never the appointment of Wilkinson
 
And that's why he was shite, he had the right intentions but not the right business skills for the football world.
Whatever highs he provided there were also lows, the only things he did good for the club was build the SOL (although i'm still not convinced we should have moved) using EU grants and selling to Drumaville.
If he had any acumen he could have sought investors at the peak of Reids finishes, but he either couldn't or wouldn't and we went down hill quickly.
So quickly the club was 4 weeks from administration uintil Quinny took over, source,Niall Quinn.

Are you daft?

No matter how wonderful a place Roker Park was, it was 99 year old and getting more and more dilapidated as time went on. Plus, turning it into an all-seater would have made the capacity ridiculously small.
 
Get to fuck man - utter failure. 20 odd years and delivered next to nowt. Just as well he built the stadium or youd all be really struggling to find anything to hang your hats on with him. He couldnt even be arsed to sell 1992 FAC final souvenirs.

Tight as they come.
However carry on....plenty on here with very short memories. I know what I'd be doing with the sword tomorrow. :lol:

He didn't have the money man..........not his fault......

Despite not being the richest man in the world, and therefore being able to provide Man City esque success (yep win all the trophys they have won), he did us proud.......

The modern day SAFC is all Bob Murray...... the stadium, the new owners everything. FACT!
 
I will be forever grateful that, far from taking the money and running like many have and will do, he ensured the club was going into the right hands when it was sold.
 
I remember a statement from Murray a few years backs, when we clammering to spend money, he came out with this gem, comparing us to were Leeds and Newcastle would be be in 5 years time.
Maybe in hindsight what he said made sense.

Personally I can forgive most things, but never the appointment of Wilkinson

Was completely about to post this - Bongo banging on about 'Business Acumen' :lol:

Whilst I was annoyed with Murray at times, with hindsight I do genuinely think a lot of his approach has been vindicated as time has passed since his departure.

At the time people though we were lacking ambition, desire etc... But for Christs sake we were 36 million in debt which is more then Murray himself was worth and people really expected him at that time to plough more money in to the club? Would anyone else in that situation?

Simple facts are judged at the time we did look like we werent willing to compete, there was a view no top club would ever really struggle, too big etc.... with the benefit of hindsight Bob has been proved right, top football clubs weren't infalliable and he was one of the few people at the time who foresore it, as disappointing as that was at times during his tenure, events since have shown that he was perhaps right to be cautious

Murray was only guilty of not being a richer man
 
Get to fuck man - utter failure. 20 odd years and delivered next to nowt. Just as well he built the stadium or youd all be really struggling to find anything to hang your hats on with him. He couldnt even be arsed to sell 1992 FAC final souvenirs.

Tight as they come.

However carry on....plenty on here with very short memories. I know what I'd be doing with the sword tomorrow. :lol:

I wish I was that unsuccessful. He put the first part of the jigsaw in place of which we're seeing the fruits of today. I can't understand why you're full of bitterness, you've made a living out of the club, he hasn't. Move on man.
 
And that's why he was shite, he had the right intentions but not the right business skills for the football world.
Whatever highs he provided there were also lows, the only things he did good for the club was build the SOL (although i'm still not convinced we should have moved) using EU grants and selling to Drumaville.If he had any acumen he could have sought investors at the peak of Reids finishes, but he either couldn't or wouldn't and we went down hill quickly.
So quickly the club was 4 weeks from administration uintil Quinny took over, source,Niall Quinn.

Thats the key............ the stadium and selling to owners that loved us (not the highest bidder)............

Frankly i think he is a great man in the history of SAFC......
 
Running a successful business and running a successful football club are two entirely different affairs. He isn't getting his honour for services to SAFC.

My two-penneth's worth is any chairman over a 20 year period will make major mistakes and that included Quinn and/or Short. Even Steve Gibson has made mistakes and he is Mr Middlesbrough!

My gut feeling is in 15/20 years time he'll be looked at more favourably than he is now, due to the Stadium and the training facilities. He didn't provide funds for the team under Smith and he'll know that SAFC being also-rans in the old Second Division at the time of the start of the PL set us back years. Also, supporting Reid blindly was wrong, but then both of these actions can be justified to an extent, Reid had after all delivered two 7th place finishes just before the 17th place finish. Likewise Murray appointed Crosby of the back of the fans euphoria of the 92 Cup run, a mistake.

Back in the day I used to hate Murray, I'll be honest. I saw him as the sole reason that SAFC couldn't move forward as a club, but the reality is more than that. People on the thread putting 3rd Division football at Murray's door are undermining their own argument to be honest.

Murray always had SAFC in his heart and would never have knowingly hurt the club. He'll always have my respect for that. Murray made mistakes at SAFC in the same way we all would.... look at some of the threads and posters on here of Sunderland supporters who really do know F.A about the game... Could have had a lot worse than Murray.

Good on Murray for his honour I say.
 
Are you daft?

No matter how wonderful a place Roker Park was, it was 99 year old and getting more and more dilapidated as time went on. Plus, turning it into an all-seater would have made the capacity ridiculously small.

Not in the slightest,there was a very good plan that showed how we could have stayed there and rebuilt, idiots laughed about dropping the pitch so many feet and then what have other premiership clubs gone and done to make more room......
 
And that's why he was shite, he had the right intentions but not the right business skills for the football world.
Whatever highs he provided there were also lows, the only things he did good for the club was build the SOL (although i'm still not convinced we should have moved) using EU grants and selling to Drumaville.
If he had any acumen he could have sought investors at the peak of Reids finishes, but he either couldn't or wouldn't and we went down hill quickly.
So quickly the club was 4 weeks from administration uintil Quinny took over, source,Niall Quinn.

I thought you'd been telling anyone who'd listen for the past couple of years that spending only money you can afford, and not getting into silly debt was a clever strategy. You bloody commies make me sick. ;)
 
The man provided a fantastic stadium.

Hasnt cut his ties with the club even after all the abuse he got.

He also turned down offers of a quick buck to sell the club when he didnt believe the prospective buyers didnt have the interests of the club at heart, before eventually stepping down for Quinny and co.

Compared to Fletcher and co at magland he kept his dignity and behaved with decorum at all times.

A true gent, congratulations.

Well said. When thinking of Sir Bob, and the abuse he took from idiots, I'm reminded of the Kipling poem.
 
I thought you'd been telling anyone who'd listen for the past couple of years that spending only money you can afford, and not getting into silly debt was a clever strategy. You bloody commies make me sick. ;)

That's why i said investment, you know, sell the idea and hopes of the club and it's ambitions so people take a punt.
 
And that's why he was shite, he had the right intentions but not the right business skills for the football world.
Whatever highs he provided there were also lows, the only things he did good for the club was build the SOL (although i'm still not convinced we should have moved) using EU grants and selling to Drumaville.
If he had any acumen he could have sought investors at the peak of Reids finishes, but he either couldn't or wouldn't and we went down hill quickly.
So quickly the club was 4 weeks from administration uintil Quinny took over, source,Niall Quinn.

:lol: That's got to be a wind-up. :lol:

At the time of the first proposed move, there was a 'Stay at Roker Park' movement. The maximum capacity we could have had at the 'New Roker Park' was 28k and still hemmed in by houses and nowhere near the capability of the SOL for other stuf which earns the club coin. Bearing in mind SAFC have averaged 40k the last three seasons and 30k in the Championship the season before that, not including the 45k average seasons.... It was the best thing that has happened to SAFC since the 73 Cup Final....
 
Not in the slightest,there was a very good plan that showed how we could have stayed there and rebuilt, idiots laughed about dropping the pitch so many feet and then what have other premiership clubs gone and done to make more room......

And you can honestly say that would be better than the facilities we have in place now?

What few times I managed to go to Roker, I loved, and I miss the different type of matchday feeling it inspired. But in order for this club to stand any chance of being up there at the top, something like the SOL needed to be built.
 
Well said. When thinking of Sir Bob, and the abuse he took from idiots, I'm reminded of the Kipling poem.

If you can stand by peter Reid when it was so clear he had ran out of ideas we knew his gameplan...
If you can appoint Wilko to save us....
If you can watch us get smashed to bits....
If you can go crying to Drumaville that the club won't exist in a month unless you sell.....
This is yours, and once more,you'll still be clueless at football my son.
 
That's why i said investment, you know, sell the idea and hopes of the club and it's ambitions so people take a punt.

If I remember at the time Bongo there weren't too many people willing to 'Invest' in football clubs as they are notiorously not an investment, I'd be surprised if you could name many people if any who have ever made money from football.

Facts are no one really wanted to invest in football at that time, if I remember correctly there were a mass of top clubs that were vying for more money, in the end the only people interested were the leveraged buy out merchants who came along a couple of years later. And we all saw how that turned out (And will do)

If top clubs ala Man U, Leeds etc... couldnt garnish decent investment at the time, Murray trying to sell an unfashionable, not overly successful or marketable club in a North Eastern backwater ;) Was on a hiding to nothing
 
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