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Waffle. I'm specifically referring to the documented reasons that Drumaville, Keane and Short have all given for signing up (along with many of the players in that period too) including the club's infrastructure - an already expanded stadium, training facilities, etc, etc. All RSM stuff. Therefore it is not simply my opinion, as you stated, that it was RSM who made possible the rapid rise we've had since he left.

Quinn might be holding the reigns, but RSM raised the horse.

I don't discredit Murray at all for his role in all of this. We are just at odds as to how great an extent that role has been resposnible for where we are now. So yes, mush as you enjoy establishing yourself as the sole truth-seer, it is all very much down to a subjective interpretation of the facts. Just the same as any other historical study. There are plenty of sources that support your point of view, and plenty that support mine, but none that prove either of them. We will just have to agree to disagree.

Google it, there was plenty of coverage at the time.
But being a regular at Roker Park you'll already know that :roll:

If we'd have redeveloped Roker Park we'd have had exactly the same as we have now... a brand new stadium. It just would have been in a different place and we'd be tens of millions of quid out of pocket.
 
Google it, there was plenty of coverage at the time.
But being a regular at Roker Park you'll already know that :roll:


I certainly would and it would be shite.

I don't discredit Murray at all for his role in all of this. We are just at odds as to how great an extent that role has been resposnible for where we are now. So yes, mush as you enjoy establishing yourself as the sole truth-seer, it is all very much down to a subjective interpretation of the facts. Just the same as any other historical study. There are plenty of sources that support your point of view, and plenty that support mine, but none that prove either of them. We will just have to agree to disagree.



If we'd have redeveloped Roker Park we'd have had exactly the same as we have now... a brand new stadium. It just would have been in a different place and we'd be tens of millions of quid out of pocket.

Don't want to get in the way of yours and HBTs' discussion ;) but a stadium on the Roker Park site would be laughable compared to what we have now.
 
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I certainly would and it would be shite.



Don't want to get in the way of yours and HBTs' discussion ;) but a stadium on the Roker Park site would be laughable compared to what we have now.

Why as the council would have issued a CPN on the terraced house around the park.
 
Why as the council would have issued a CPN on the terraced house around the park.

So we could have had the equivalent stadium on the Roker Park site? Not a chance imo. If we would be pretty much knocking it down and re-building it, what's the problem with moving it a mile (it may be more but am shite at distances) down the road yet still keeping it local to its' roots on a site perfect for further development? It wouldn't have resembled the "old Roker Park" so nostalgia shouldn't really come into it. :confused: I understand wantin to keep it at that site but it was unworkable in reality as far as i can see.
 
So we could have had the equivalent stadium on the Roker Park site? Not a chance imo. If we would be pretty much knocking it down and re-building it, what's the problem with moving it a mile (it may be more but am shite at distances) down the road yet still keeping it local to its' roots on a site perfect for further development? It wouldn't have resembled the "old Roker Park" so nostalgia shouldn't really come into it. :confused: I understand wantin to keep it at that site but it was unworkable in reality as far as i can see.

Of course we could have stayed on the site but in doing so we wouldn't have got the grants to build it on industrial land and Bob refused to pay for it out of his own money.
He built the SOL there because that way the EU covered most of the cost.
Fuck nearly 100 years of history and a name that even the worlds top managers still use now, let it go to rot, i spend fuck all on it and i build a shiney new shed with no soul.
But at least it will cost next to nowt.
And the last time i heard the new developments for the academy are all off the back of Quinny as it was built in the wrong place to start with.

You all hail Bob and what you think he did, leave the rest of us to remember the reality of those days.
The shittest days in Sunderland history and some of the biggest mistakes in football history, but we finished 7th so that was OK.
f***ing clueless and how anyone can forget the feeling of the first relegation, the last mags result was mild compared to that and we suffered it every f***ing week.
 
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Of course we could have stayed on the site but in doing so we wouldn't have got the grants to build it on industrial land and Bob refused to pay for it out of his own money.
He built the SOL there because that way the EU covered most of the cost.
Fuck nearly 100 years of history and a name that even the worlds top managers still use now, let it go to rot, i spend fuck all on it and i build a shiney new shed with no soul.
But at least it will cost next to nowt.
And the last time i heard the new developments for the academy are all off the back of Quinny as it was built in the wrong place to start with.

If we'd had stayed ar RP the ground would have been less than 20k max, which isn't viable for the PL. Don't see what the issue with the rest of the post, IF we did get loads of grants, so what, more money to spend on the team
 
Of course we could have stayed on the site but in doing so we wouldn't have got the grants to build it on industrial land and Bob refused to pay for it out of his own money.
He built the SOL there because that way the EU covered most of the cost.
Fuck nearly 100 years of history and a name that even the worlds top managers still use now, let it go to rot, i spend fuck all on it and i build a shiney new shed with no soul.
But at least it will cost next to nowt.
And the last time i heard the new developments for the academy are all off the back of Quinny as it was built in the wrong place to start with.

You all hail Bob and what you think he did, leave the rest of us to remember the reality of those days.
The shittest days in Sunderland history and some of the biggest mistakes in football history, but we finished 7th so that was OK.
f***ing clueless and how anyone can forget the feeling of the first relegation, the last mags result was mild compared to that and we suffered it every f***ing week.

The seeds were well and truly sowed before Bob became involved for that like. I don't hail Bob but under his stewardship we played the best, most attacking football in either of our lifetimes. We also played a heck of alot of shite n'arl but that's the lot of a Sunderland fan unfortunately. Surely with your poliical ethics :)lol:) moving to the new ground, with almost complete funding by outside parties, was perfect business sense?
 
He built a stadium using European grants to pay for it and walked away at the end of the day with millions FFS.
In the meantime the club was almost forced into administration, 2 record low relegations and he left us with the squad we all take the piss out of on an almost daily basis.

Really? Well done Bob! About time we got something back from those expensive, unelected overlords in Brussels. And I hope the bloke did walk away with a few million - he worked hard and, in an enterprise economy, deserves his reward.

Mind it's quite sad that a supporter has to cherry pick islands of complaint and ignore everything else, to fit their agenda. Happens a lot in politics too, I understand.
 
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Really? Well done Bob! About time we got something back from those expensive, unelected overlords in Brussels. And I hope the bloke did walk away with a few million - he worked hard and, in an enterprise economy, deserves his reward.

Mind it's quite sad that a supporter has to cherry pick islands of complaint and ignore everything else, to fit their agenda. Happens a lot in politics too, I understand.

He made very little out of the sale n'arl.
 
I don't discredit Murray at all for his role in all of this. We are just at odds as to how great an extent that role has been resposnible for where we are now. So yes, mush as you enjoy establishing yourself as the sole truth-seer, it is all very much down to a subjective interpretation of the facts. Just the same as any other historical study. There are plenty of sources that support your point of view, and plenty that support mine, but none that prove either of them. We will just have to agree to disagree.

I just let the words that I read, from the horses mouths, enter that spongy thing between my ears. Try it some time!

He made very little out of the sale n'arl.

I know. You can still feel the seething from across the other river.
 
Lets not forget the legacy of Tom Cowie ???

Well Done Sir Bob, many ups and downs on the way but you really laid the foundations of where Niall and Ellis could take us.
 
I just let the words that I read, from the horses mouths, enter that spongy thing between my ears. Try it some time!



I know. You can still feel the seething from across the other river.

More fool you, then. Everyone has an agenda. I prefer to examine a range of sources objectively and come to my own conclusions. You start believing everything you hear and you wind up a mindless drone and agent of whatever propaganda you have been spoon-fed.

Niall Quinn says Bob is reet canny as owt so that means the 15 and 19 pointers which happened on his watch, with his managers, with the budgets he approved, and the mistakes he repeated, weren't anything to do with him? Aye.... riiiiiightio marra. Those two seasons, in my opinion anyway, which is just as good, valid, and considered as anyone else's, set us back years, and the only real constant pressence at the business end of the club during those seasons was Bob Murray. The Stadium and Training ground counted for nothing when we were scraping the barrell looking in the lower leagues for people to sign for us because no one else dared. Only when Keane came, which was Quinn's appointment, did we get a semblence of pulling power back, and most of that was just borrowed from Roy Keane. Even then it we couldn't persuade the likes of Nugent, Baird, and Taylor we were a better bet that Portsmouth, Fulham, or Bolton on which to gamble their careers.

I am just trying to be objective. Some things he deserves credit for, some things he deserves criticism for, and on balance I think the damage he did to our reputation on the field negates the quality of the work he did off the pitch with regards the infrastructure he built. Therefor I have no interest in villainising the bloke, but I don't see cause for showering him with unreserved credit either. Those are just the conclusions I have come to, and you won't be persuading me they are unfair.
 
More fool you, then. Everyone has an agenda. I prefer to examine a range of sources objectively and come to my own conclusions. You start believing everything you hear and you wind up a mindless drone and agent of whatever propaganda you have been spoon-fed.

Niall Quinn says Bob is reet canny as owt so that means the 15 and 19 pointers which happened on his watch, with his managers, with the budgets he approved, and the mistakes he repeated, weren't anything to do with him? Aye.... riiiiiightio marra. Those two seasons, in my opinion anyway, which is just as good, valid, and considered as anyone else's, set us back years, and the only real constant pressence at the business end of the club during those seasons was Bob Murray. The Stadium and Training ground counted for nothing when we were scraping the barrell looking in the lower leagues for people to sign for us because no one else dared. Only when Keane came, which was Quinn's appointment, did we get a semblence of pulling power back, and most of that was just borrowed from Roy Keane. Even then it we couldn't persuade the likes of Nugent, Baird, and Taylor we were a better bet that Portsmouth, Fulham, or Bolton on which to gamble their careers.

I am just trying to be objective. Some things he deserves credit for, some things he deserves criticism for, and on balance I think the damage he did to our reputation on the field negates the quality of the work he did off the pitch with regards the infrastructure he built. Therefor I have no interest in villainising the bloke, but I don't see cause for showering him with unreserved credit either. Those are just the conclusions I have come to, and you won't be persuading me they are unfair.

How many? Didn't we recover rather quickly from Micmacs atrocious 15 point season :confused:
 
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