Committed to Academy 1 status and a big turn around - Rodwell


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Haha sorry. I'm just really interested in the Academy and have been for years. Used to go and watch as many games at u18 and u23 as I could. Under McNamee it seemed a very good set up and he was well liked by players and parents alike
I’m sure some people liked him, some didn’t, just like any walk of life.
But I think it’s become apparent what experience brings.
I think he would have had a different approach to what’s been going on.
 
Haha sorry. I'm just really interested in the Academy and have been for years. Used to go and watch as many games at u18 and u23 as I could. Under McNamee it seemed a very good set up and he was well liked by players and parents alike
I do find the subject of Ged McNamee interesting. A lot of people (probably myself included) couldn't see past the nepotism he showed Tom but the academy has had a fair amount of success. Difficult to be objective as you dont get a lot of facts out of the academy so people make judgments on what they can see. Always interested in getting the perspective from people who were actually involved.

Similar to Bally actually. I know and have played with a few ex-academy players who absolutely slate him but they're hardly going to be impartial after being released. Then you have the likes of Hendo and PIckford who cant speak highly enough of him.
 
What he has said does address the concerns we have raised. Whether he does or can do anything to reverse the trend remains to be seen. However, he has got rid of Reid and seemingly identified one of the problems with the set up. He will be appointing someone with the brief to retain more talent and try to create a vision of how that talent is recruited and moves through the age groups. Let's hope he makes a good appointment. Taking away whether you choose to believe his words this is the first positive step for a long, long time and is good to hear. I totally understand the constant cynicism but he Rodwell has done something beyond words - got rid of an underperforming Donald appointment in Reid and that should be acknowledged.

You should say something about him getting shot of an under performing mate of Donald's - that is a positive and lets hope a sign of things to come.
How do you know he got rid of him? Maybe he just left? Better offer? Family reasons? Disliked the weather?
It's great to know we have the mastermind behind the success at Boston United and Scunthorpe as our CEO. I wonder how far down the league structure we will search for a suitable candidate to run a Cat 1 academy.
If it’s not an ex Eastleigh bod it’ll be an auld marra of JRs. What’s the odds eh?
 
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yes and when we were cat one in the premier league..ie the offer was a cat one acaemy at a premier league club..we didnt lose lots of players..

now we are cat one and cant offer premier league.. are losing loads..

Would have helped not to have hawked them out eh
read my subsequent posts..we dont offer premer league status..thats why we lose players now, and didnt in the premier league..ts the only variable.
but i am interested in other areas where you think the safc offer has been inferior?

No the variable is the owners
 
Would have helped not to have hawked them out eh
why? safc werent allowed to kee them, they can leave anytime they want?
you telling me short and bain wouldnt have sold any of them in the champo season?
#the variable, the logic, the maths in the equation, is that in the champo the players had status they dont have that now so are leaving.
 
why? safc werent allowed to kee them, they can leave anytime they want?
you telling me short and bain wouldnt have sold any of them in the champo season?
#the variable, the logic, the maths in the equation, is that in the champo the players had status they dont have that now so are leaving.
No they can't, or they can but it's quite a process, we can reject approaches. I am not necessarily advocating that but we can.
They didn't sell any of them, who knows if they would/could have or not.
You are ignoring the other variables once again and have changed your own goalposts.
 
why? safc werent allowed to kee them, they can leave anytime they want?
you telling me short and bain wouldnt have sold any of them in the champo season?
#the variable, the logic, the maths in the equation, is that in the champo the players had status they dont have that now so are leaving.

You’re chatting shite yet again about a club you don’t even support.

You denying the owners hawked the players out? You denying that the owners didn’t fight to keep hold of our talented youngsters?

Another academy thread, and you’re all over it. You’re not even a Sunderland fan. Your obsession is mental
 
You’re chatting shite yet again about a club you don’t even support.

You denying the owners hawked the players out? You denying that the owners didn’t fight to keep hold of our talented youngsters?

Another academy thread, and you’re all over it. You’re not even a Sunderland fan. Your obsession is mental
defne hawked out/ yes the owners , when the players said, in writing, they wanted to leave, the owners trid to get an auction going to get the best price rather than let a trbunal decide.
 
why? safc werent allowed to kee them, they can leave anytime they want?
you telling me short and bain wouldnt have sold any of them in the champo season?
#the variable, the logic, the maths in the equation, is that in the champo the players had status they dont have that now so are leaving.
I know for a fact they refused approaches, yes.
And have a word with yourself.
Lads don’t move across the country just so they can say they play for a PL club. Jesus.
 
You’re chatting shite yet again about a club you don’t even support.

You denying the owners hawked the players out? You denying that the owners didn’t fight to keep hold of our talented youngsters?

Another academy thread, and you’re all over it. You’re not even a Sunderland fan. Your obsession is mental
his so called knowledge of the academy, whether right or wrong would, suggest he is in the inner circle. No part time fan who hasn't been to Sunderland, hates the fans, detests the place itself, would have that supposed in depth knowledge of something that he doesn't really care about. Hoy a few insults at the owners to try and throw the thick northerners off the trail.
 
defne hawked out/ yes the owners , when the players said, in writing, they wanted to leave, the owners trid to get an auction going to get the best price rather than let a trbunal decide.
Bullshit.
Told you this a thousand times.
You just refuse to listen.

Also, compensation is a set fee, tribunals wouldn’t do that, a tribunal would happen if player wanted to go and SAFC refused permission.
 
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I know for a fact they refused approaches, yes.
And have a word with yourself.
Lads don’t move across the country just so they can say they play for a PL club. Jesus.
WHAT! players of all ages move across the country to play premier league football every day! your telling me a player in a lower league northern club, if offered a move to a premier league team wouldn't move!
you under estimate the global appeal of the premier league!
 
No they can't, or they can but it's quite a process, we can reject approaches. I am not necessarily advocating that but we can.
They didn't sell any of them, who knows if they would/could have or not.
You are ignoring the other variables once again and have changed your own goalposts.

They can reject approaches, but these things have a way of getting out. For what it's worth, I think the club are doing the right thing, morally, in allowing clubs to talk to the parents. Where they're wrong is not trying hard enough or fast enough to persuade those same parents that their child's future is best served by staying put.
 
There's really nothing pointless about it. Either you get homegrown players that have received quality coaching into your first team or you, reluctantly, receive much greater compensation when a player under 17 leaves. The problem is running it badly and/or actively hawking your young players.

Look at Derby - cat 1 academy in the Championship and have managed to hold onto their young players to the extent they finished above City, Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs in the U23 league. If it's that hard to avoid them being picked off by the PL clubs how did they manage that?

People happily swallowing their bullshit

Its not that its that hard to hold onto talent. But our owners clearly arent bothered about it. They want the academy to be C1 in name only, its a front to pacify the fan base while they run it like a non-league outfit. You can call it what you like, but its not being ran like a C1 academy and the owners have no intention of properly funding it, applying quality coaching, or anything like that. So whats the point. Until we get new owners nothing will change.
 
Oooh you’re the perfect safc fan from Methvens perspective.
i doubt it, just today ive called him incompetent and unintelligent.
the problem is the hysterics on here devalue the real critics these owners deserve for how thy have staggeringly mis managed the club. instead of hilighting those, the conspiracy theories roll out,
 
The only concern he has addressed really is that we will be a cat one academy, which I think was already confirmed for next season anyway.
I do have a little sympathy for Rodwell, he could be the greatest CEO in the history of football and nobody would trust a word he says at the moment, but this is really just more bluff and bluster, doesn't allay any of my concerns at all. You seem to be assuming that the problems are down to Paul Reid, unless the strategy at the whole club changes the next person is going to find it virtually impossible to do anything either.
He seems to have conveniently absolved himself of any responsibility for the Mumba deal as well, who is making these decisions? If the CEO isn't involved and the academy manager has gone?
If the season was going to start anytime soon we would be struggling to put a team out at virtually every level and certainly not a competitive one, we are in a real mess at the moment and it's going to take really good, innovative management to get us any better.
I am not assuming anything. We have a problem with the Academy both in performance and retention. When this poor performance occurs you look at the people at the top setting strategy etc. You also look at other elements like coaching, scouting etc. It appears that scouting/recruitment was addressed when Ged McNamee was appointed. Some on here has suggested that Reid treated his role like a part time job and often missed matches as he lived down south. For me, Rodwell appears to have addressed some of our problems by acknowledging that Reid was not fit for purpose. To me that is a positive. Obviously the key is to appoint someone who is fit for purpose and has vision. Time will tell but this is a positive first step.
 
Its not that its that hard to hold onto talent. But our owners clearly arent bothered about it. They want the academy to be C1 in name only, its a front to pacify the fan base while they run it like a non-league outfit. You can call it what you like, but its not being ran like a C1 academy and the owners have no intention of properly funding it, applying quality coaching, or anything like that. So whats the point. Until we get new owners nothing will change.
"properly funded" is not something they can decide, there are rules about the quantity of coaches an academy has to have to be C1, as the status has been renewed, they must, by definition, be funding t properly with the rght number, of qualified coaches.
 
WHAT! players of all ages move across the country to play premier league football every day! your telling me a player in a lower league northern club, if offered a move to a premier league team wouldn't move!
you under estimate the global appeal of the premier league!
Taken it out of context to suit your argument.
That’s not what you said or meant at all.
You said they were going for the ‘status’
You under estimate the mentality of Sunderland academy youngsters.
 
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