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Don’t get you?...aye who did they lose in the PL days?
That point was in regard of not offering what other Cat1 does....
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Don’t get you?...aye who did they lose in the PL days?
Do you actually know anything about academies?status of being signed to a premier league club is the big one.
yes and when we were cat one in the premier league..ie the offer was a cat one acaemy at a premier league club..we didnt lose lots of players..Don’t get you?...
That point was in regard of not offering what other Cat1 does....
No one mentioned losing players? Have no clue what your talking about.yes and when we were cat one in the premier league..ie the offer was a cat one acaemy at a premier league club..we didnt lose lots of players..
now we are cat one and cant offer premier league.. are losing loads..
read my subsequent posts..we dont offer premer league status..thats why we lose players now, and didnt in the premier league..ts the only variable.Do you actually know anything about academies?
The post I quoted said we don't offer things other cat 1 academies do in any league, so not just premier league status.
It wasn't about losing players at least not necessarily. How many did we lose in the Championship?read my subsequent posts..we dont offer premer league status..thats why we lose players now, and didnt in the premier league..ts the only variable.
but i am interested in other areas where you think the safc offer has been inferior?
Out of interest was there any change with how the Academy was being run between McNamee and Sinclair?Probably unpopular, but I’m actually not sure what they benefit from keeping Cat1. I’m just not sure what they gain, in their current predicament, other than status.
I completely get, once you’ve got it, why loose it. But they never offered what other Cat1 clubs do anyway, in any league..
If you believe the statement, they’re gonna stop selling youth, so no need to rely on Cat1 compensation being higher.
Dropping to Cat2 could maybe help the rebuild, means the 18/23 would drop a league, ok it’s not desirable, but neither is getting slaughtered every game.
They could benefit from going back to basics, playing a game they aren’t dreading going into, winning games, building confidence back up. No one wants to join a team that can’t earn a point, and no one wants to stay in that environment.
The money saved, could be spent on improving the academy, take them on tours to get that experience of the foreign teams or ‘bigger’ teams, free up a pot to offer to the promising lads.
There’s still some decent teams, in higher leagues, with decent academies who aren’t Cat1. Basically all those who U9-15 age groups compete with week after week..
Maybe it’s less of an attraction to any parents at U8 level to choose Sunderland as Cat2, but I doubt they look at it favourably in its current state either![]()
i know mone isnt nescessarly te ke part of the offer. thats wh sad premier league status is the key part of the offer. the academy performs excellently in most regards and has on for man years (until this year) the only problem is losing players, if thats not what you are on about.. i dont care about any other aspect of the acdemy,No one mentioned losing players? Have no clue what your talking about.
Or are you assuming when I say ‘offer’ I’m talking about money.... I’m not!
Not in my opinion, no.Out of interest was there any change with how the Academy was being run between McNamee and Sinclair?
Do you see McNamee being back as a positive?Not in my opinion, no.
You don’t care?i know mone isnt nescessarly te ke part of the offer. thats wh sad premier league status is the key part of the offer. the academy performs excellently in most regards and has on for man years (until this year) the only problem is losing players, if thats not what you are on about.. i dont care about any other aspect of the acdemy,
thats because it is..one season in the champo meant safc still had some status as a recent pem club of long standing..It wasn't about losing players at least not necessarily. How many did we lose in the Championship?
I don't know, which is why I asked the person who would know, having direct experience of at least a couple. You jumped in and said Premier league status was the main one.
It wasn't about losing players at least not necessarily. How many did we lose in the Championship?
I don't know, which is why I asked the person who would know, having direct experience of at least a couple. You jumped in and said Premier league status was the main one.
You question me like a reporterDo you see McNamee being back as a positive?
We didn’t have these owners.thats because it is..one season in the champo meant safc still had some status as a recent pem club of long standing..
there is no other variable at work than we were a prem club and no arent..we didnt used to lose players and now do. when exmaning a pattern of events you look for variables to determine reasons for anomalies to the pattern, thats the variable.
It probably will be a factor, in players leaving but that's not what I was asking about.It will be one factor, but the reason isn't financial, or at least, not directly. Consider the case of a young player not quite making it and being released at, say, 18 or 19. If they want to stay in the game, they will be inevitably looking farther down the pyramid. If you;re released from a PL team, that could be Championship or League 1; if you're at a League 1 club, that will mean League 2 or non-league. The move to a PL team is attractive because it gives you a bigger, and potentially better, safety net.
no I was thinking more like someone saying they are going to fuck off from the board and then actually doing itactions..like having th caemy status renewed recently you mean?
You probably thought we’d get 100pts this season.....Hang on this isn't right I thought it was being bulldozed and sold off according to the legions of merchants of doom oon here.
There are other variables, we have different owners, different academy director.thats because it is..one season in the champo meant safc still had some status as a recent pem club of long standing..
there is no other variable at work than we were a prem club and no arent..we didnt used to lose players and now do. when exmaning a pattern of events you look for variables to determine reasons for anomalies to the pattern, thats the variable.
Haha sorry. I'm just really interested in the Academy and have been for years. Used to go and watch as many games at u18 and u23 as I could. Under McNamee it seemed a very good set up and he was well liked by players and parents alikeYou question me like a reporter
Depends on his role.
Sometimes going back never works, in any scenario.
I doubt he’s a yes man. So he’ll stand up for he believes I guess.
We didn’t have these owners.
Previous managers/owners refused the approaches.
Im not saying league status played no part,
but your naive to the hilt if you believe it’s all down to the league position.
I like the sound of it but do you really believe the current owners think that deeply or plan that far ahead? After all they admit the best kids have left. They want out or say they do. Even if everything went swimingly on the academy front from now on it won’t prove they know what they’re doing itll be because they’ve changed course.To quote Donald Rumsfeld, sometimes there are unknown unknowns at play. Thinking laterally there is inevitably going to be a salary cap, squad size and home grown quota conditions imposed on EFL clubs, either next season or the one after. The question is how will they play out and how can the club with the largest income in L1 gain an advantage from that.
We can't employ more 1st team players than our competitors and we can't pay them more overall either so the only outlet for that extra revenue is the academy. How about clearing the decks of last season's failures at that level (being done by the looks of it) and using this financial advantage to stock the academy with the best kids around sub-Premier League and the best scouts and coaches out there. Let's do to EFL clubs what the PL clubs have been doing to us....poach their kids with offers to learn at a Cat 1 academy and play for the biggest club below the Championship.
The old model where you bought the end product is dead at our level. Let's hope someone at the club has noticed this and is acting on it.