Committed to Academy 1 status and a big turn around - Rodwell


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Don’t get you?...
That point was in regard of not offering what other Cat1 does....
yes and when we were cat one in the premier league..ie the offer was a cat one acaemy at a premier league club..we didnt lose lots of players..

now we are cat one and cant offer premier league.. are losing loads..
 
yes and when we were cat one in the premier league..ie the offer was a cat one acaemy at a premier league club..we didnt lose lots of players..

now we are cat one and cant offer premier league.. are losing loads..
No one mentioned losing players? Have no clue what your talking about.
Or are you assuming when I say ‘offer’ I’m talking about money 🙄.... I’m not!
 
Do you actually know anything about academies?
The post I quoted said we don't offer things other cat 1 academies do in any league, so not just premier league status.
read my subsequent posts..we dont offer premer league status..thats why we lose players now, and didnt in the premier league..ts the only variable.
but i am interested in other areas where you think the safc offer has been inferior?
 
read my subsequent posts..we dont offer premer league status..thats why we lose players now, and didnt in the premier league..ts the only variable.
but i am interested in other areas where you think the safc offer has been inferior?
It wasn't about losing players at least not necessarily. How many did we lose in the Championship?
I don't know, which is why I asked the person who would know, having direct experience of at least a couple. You jumped in and said Premier league status was the main one.
 
Probably unpopular, but I’m actually not sure what they benefit from keeping Cat1. I’m just not sure what they gain, in their current predicament, other than status.
I completely get, once you’ve got it, why loose it. But they never offered what other Cat1 clubs do anyway, in any league..
If you believe the statement, they’re gonna stop selling youth, so no need to rely on Cat1 compensation being higher.
Dropping to Cat2 could maybe help the rebuild, means the 18/23 would drop a league, ok it’s not desirable, but neither is getting slaughtered every game.
They could benefit from going back to basics, playing a game they aren’t dreading going into, winning games, building confidence back up. No one wants to join a team that can’t earn a point, and no one wants to stay in that environment.
The money saved, could be spent on improving the academy, take them on tours to get that experience of the foreign teams or ‘bigger’ teams, free up a pot to offer to the promising lads.
There’s still some decent teams, in higher leagues, with decent academies who aren’t Cat1. Basically all those who U9-15 age groups compete with week after week..
Maybe it’s less of an attraction to any parents at U8 level to choose Sunderland as Cat2, but I doubt they look at it favourably in its current state either 🤷🏻‍♀️
Out of interest was there any change with how the Academy was being run between McNamee and Sinclair?
 
No one mentioned losing players? Have no clue what your talking about.
Or are you assuming when I say ‘offer’ I’m talking about money 🙄.... I’m not!
i know mone isnt nescessarly te ke part of the offer. thats wh sad premier league status is the key part of the offer. the academy performs excellently in most regards and has on for man years (until this year) the only problem is losing players, if thats not what you are on about.. i dont care about any other aspect of the acdemy,
 
i know mone isnt nescessarly te ke part of the offer. thats wh sad premier league status is the key part of the offer. the academy performs excellently in most regards and has on for man years (until this year) the only problem is losing players, if thats not what you are on about.. i dont care about any other aspect of the acdemy,
You don’t care?
stop replying to subjects you don’t care about then.
However that’s a very shallow attitude, from that your saying only money or PL status matters, no wonder it’s shagged then.
 
It wasn't about losing players at least not necessarily. How many did we lose in the Championship?
I don't know, which is why I asked the person who would know, having direct experience of at least a couple. You jumped in and said Premier league status was the main one.
thats because it is..one season in the champo meant safc still had some status as a recent pem club of long standing..
there is no other variable at work than we were a prem club and no arent..we didnt used to lose players and now do. when exmaning a pattern of events you look for variables to determine reasons for anomalies to the pattern, thats the variable.
 
It wasn't about losing players at least not necessarily. How many did we lose in the Championship?
I don't know, which is why I asked the person who would know, having direct experience of at least a couple. You jumped in and said Premier league status was the main one.

It will be one factor, but the reason isn't financial, or at least, not directly. Consider the case of a young player not quite making it and being released at, say, 18 or 19. If they want to stay in the game, they will be inevitably looking farther down the pyramid. If you;re released from a PL team, that could be Championship or League 1; if you're at a League 1 club, that will mean League 2 or non-league. The move to a PL team is attractive because it gives you a bigger, and potentially better, safety net.
 
Do you see McNamee being back as a positive?
You question me like a reporter 😆
Depends on his role.
Sometimes going back never works, in any scenario.
I doubt he’s a yes man. So he’ll stand up for he believes I guess.
thats because it is..one season in the champo meant safc still had some status as a recent pem club of long standing..
there is no other variable at work than we were a prem club and no arent..we didnt used to lose players and now do. when exmaning a pattern of events you look for variables to determine reasons for anomalies to the pattern, thats the variable.
We didn’t have these owners.
Previous managers/owners refused the approaches.
Im not saying league status played no part,
but your naive to the hilt if you believe it’s all down to the league position.
 
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It will be one factor, but the reason isn't financial, or at least, not directly. Consider the case of a young player not quite making it and being released at, say, 18 or 19. If they want to stay in the game, they will be inevitably looking farther down the pyramid. If you;re released from a PL team, that could be Championship or League 1; if you're at a League 1 club, that will mean League 2 or non-league. The move to a PL team is attractive because it gives you a bigger, and potentially better, safety net.
It probably will be a factor, in players leaving but that's not what I was asking about.
 
thats because it is..one season in the champo meant safc still had some status as a recent pem club of long standing..
there is no other variable at work than we were a prem club and no arent..we didnt used to lose players and now do. when exmaning a pattern of events you look for variables to determine reasons for anomalies to the pattern, thats the variable.
There are other variables, we have different owners, different academy director.
I wasn't asking about that anyway!
 
You question me like a reporter 😆
Depends on his role.
Sometimes going back never works, in any scenario.
I doubt he’s a yes man. So he’ll stand up for he believes I guess.

We didn’t have these owners.
Previous managers/owners refused the approaches.
Im not saying league status played no part,
but your naive to the hilt if you believe it’s all down to the league position.
Haha sorry. I'm just really interested in the Academy and have been for years. Used to go and watch as many games at u18 and u23 as I could. Under McNamee it seemed a very good set up and he was well liked by players and parents alike
 
To quote Donald Rumsfeld, sometimes there are unknown unknowns at play. Thinking laterally there is inevitably going to be a salary cap, squad size and home grown quota conditions imposed on EFL clubs, either next season or the one after. The question is how will they play out and how can the club with the largest income in L1 gain an advantage from that.

We can't employ more 1st team players than our competitors and we can't pay them more overall either so the only outlet for that extra revenue is the academy. How about clearing the decks of last season's failures at that level (being done by the looks of it) and using this financial advantage to stock the academy with the best kids around sub-Premier League and the best scouts and coaches out there. Let's do to EFL clubs what the PL clubs have been doing to us....poach their kids with offers to learn at a Cat 1 academy and play for the biggest club below the Championship.

The old model where you bought the end product is dead at our level. Let's hope someone at the club has noticed this and is acting on it.
I like the sound of it but do you really believe the current owners think that deeply or plan that far ahead? After all they admit the best kids have left. They want out or say they do. Even if everything went swimingly on the academy front from now on it won’t prove they know what they’re doing itll be because they’ve changed course.
 
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