Committed to Academy 1 status and a big turn around - Rodwell


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and there is the rub, who can afford to bankroll SAFC who wants to?
Donald reckons we should be making £250k a month now we’ve got the wage bill down closer to £10m and our revenue is around £20m. Why does everyone assume it’s money related as opposed to incompetence
 
About time the useless fuckers start to back up words with actual actions.

Always the f***ing same shit they come out with, blah, blah f***ing blah
 
The damage is well and truly done. Too little too late. Even if the turn the academy into la masia overnight it’s going to be four or five years before we see the benefits now.
Theres absolutely no doubt damage has been done and we have lost some seriously talented people. Its hasn't all been lost though. I'll list some positives below

Current u23 who should be part of the 1st squad:
Elliot Embleton
Jack Diamond
Anthony Patterson

Most talent Academy graduates for coming season:
Dan Neil
Cole Keirnan

Academy 2nd year Scholars capped by England:
Ryan Gooch
Ellis Taylor

Academy 1st year scholars:
Adam Richardson england GK
Jay Taylor-Cooke highly rated played alot as a school boy for u18s

Also next season u16s will have 4-5 who have been involved with England. Paramount we retain these instead of cashing in like we had with the age above
 
To quote Donald Rumsfeld, sometimes there are unknown unknowns at play. Thinking laterally there is inevitably going to be a salary cap, squad size and home grown quota conditions imposed on EFL clubs, either next season or the one after. The question is how will they play out and how can the club with the largest income in L1 gain an advantage from that.

We can't employ more 1st team players than our competitors and we can't pay them more overall either so the only outlet for that extra revenue is the academy. How about clearing the decks of last season's failures at that level (being done by the looks of it) and using this financial advantage to stock the academy with the best kids around sub-Premier League and the best scouts and coaches out there. Let's do to EFL clubs what the PL clubs have been doing to us....poach their kids with offers to learn at a Cat 1 academy and play for the biggest club below the Championship.

The old model where you bought the end product is dead at our level. Let's hope someone at the club has noticed this and is acting on it.

Mate I think you should send that in an email to Plodwell because they won't have considered any of it. They are hoping to learn where they're going wrong from job candidates.
 
Theres absolutely no doubt damage has been done and we have lost some seriously talented people. Its hasn't all been lost though. I'll list some positives below

Current u23 who should be part of the 1st squad:
Elliot Embleton
Jack Diamond
Anthony Patterson

Most talent Academy graduates for coming season:
Dan Neil
Cole Keirnan

Academy 2nd year Scholars capped by England:
Ryan Gooch
Ellis Taylor

Academy 1st year scholars:
Adam Richardson england GK
Jay Taylor-Cooke highly rated played alot as a school boy for u18s

Also next season u16s will have 4-5 who have been involved with England. Paramount we retain these instead of cashing in like we had with the age above
Good post.
 
Good to hear, these people running our club have got to learn tho, actions speak louder than words

More meaningless patter scripted by Stew and shat out by Rodbot

Talking about saving the academy right now is like fronting up for the RSPCA wearing a People Eating Tasty Animals t shirt
 
Theres absolutely no doubt damage has been done and we have lost some seriously talented people. Its hasn't all been lost though. I'll list some positives below

Current u23 who should be part of the 1st squad:
Elliot Embleton
Jack Diamond
Anthony Patterson

Most talent Academy graduates for coming season:
Dan Neil
Cole Keirnan

Academy 2nd year Scholars capped by England:
Ryan Gooch
Ellis Taylor

Academy 1st year scholars:
Adam Richardson england GK
Jay Taylor-Cooke highly rated played alot as a school boy for u18s

Also next season u16s will have 4-5 who have been involved with England. Paramount we retain these instead of cashing in like we had with the age above
One of the parents was saying the other day that there’s only 4/5 players left in the under 16s total. That’s shocking.

I think embleton will end up going the way of Robson. Hasn’t had the opportunity early enough in way of loans and injuries at bad times.
 
To quote Donald Rumsfeld, sometimes there are unknown unknowns at play. Thinking laterally there is inevitably going to be a salary cap, squad size and home grown quota conditions imposed on EFL clubs, either next season or the one after. The question is how will they play out and how can the club with the largest income in L1 gain an advantage from that.

We can't employ more 1st team players than our competitors and we can't pay them more overall either so the only outlet for that extra revenue is the academy. How about clearing the decks of last season's failures at that level (being done by the looks of it) and using this financial advantage to stock the academy with the best kids around sub-Premier League and the best scouts and coaches out there. Let's do to EFL clubs what the PL clubs have been doing to us....poach their kids with offers to learn at a Cat 1 academy and play for the biggest club below the Championship.

The old model where you bought the end product is dead at our level. Let's hope someone at the club has noticed this and is acting on it.
First thing we should do is raid Wigans Academy. Theres is pretty decent even though it's a lower grade than ours
 
Donald reckons we should be making £250k a month now we’ve got the wage bill down closer to £10m and our revenue is around £20m. Why does everyone assume it’s money related as opposed to incompetence
I would like to see how we get £20 million income from in League 1.
 
I agree, however it needs to be followed up.

I also really get the feeling they have reacted to the pressure by the fans not being happy with the way our Academy has been ran
If that's the case it shouldn't have come down to a fans backlash for something to have been done, f***ing incompetence from top to bottom.
 
Theres absolutely no doubt damage has been done and we have lost some seriously talented people. Its hasn't all been lost though. I'll list some positives below

Current u23 who should be part of the 1st squad:
Elliot Embleton
Jack Diamond
Anthony Patterson

Most talent Academy graduates for coming season:
Dan Neil
Cole Keirnan

Academy 2nd year Scholars capped by England:
Ryan Gooch
Ellis Taylor

Academy 1st year scholars:
Adam Richardson england GK
Jay Taylor-Cooke highly rated played alot as a school boy for u18s

Also next season u16s will have 4-5 who have been involved with England. Paramount we retain these instead of cashing in like we had with the age above
Again - send this to Rodwell - retaining those are now his job.
 
What he has said does address the concerns we have raised. Whether he does or can do anything to reverse the trend remains to be seen. However, he has got rid of Reid and seemingly identified one of the problems with the set up. He will be appointing someone with the brief to retain more talent and try to create a vision of how that talent is recruited and moves through the age groups. Let's hope he makes a good appointment. Taking away whether you choose to believe his words this is the first positive step for a long, long time and is good to hear. I totally understand the constant cynicism but he Rodwell has done something beyond words - got rid of an underperforming Donald appointment in Reid and that should be acknowledged.

You should say something about him getting shot of an under performing mate of Donald's - that is a positive and lets hope a sign of things to come.
The only concern he has addressed really is that we will be a cat one academy, which I think was already confirmed for next season anyway.
I do have a little sympathy for Rodwell, he could be the greatest CEO in the history of football and nobody would trust a word he says at the moment, but this is really just more bluff and bluster, doesn't allay any of my concerns at all. You seem to be assuming that the problems are down to Paul Reid, unless the strategy at the whole club changes the next person is going to find it virtually impossible to do anything either.
He seems to have conveniently absolved himself of any responsibility for the Mumba deal as well, who is making these decisions? If the CEO isn't involved and the academy manager has gone?
If the season was going to start anytime soon we would be struggling to put a team out at virtually every level and certainly not a competitive one, we are in a real mess at the moment and it's going to take really good, innovative management to get us any better.
 
First thing we should do is raid Wigans Academy. Theres is pretty decent even though it's a lower grade than ours

Exactly the kind of thing I'm on about. Wigan won't be the last and clubs will be looking to cut costs and rake a few quid in by offloading whoever they can. The issue we have is having someone astute enough to take advantage of it.
 
One of the parents was saying the other day that there’s only 4/5 players left in the under 16s total. That’s shocking.

I think embleton will end up going the way of Robson. Hasn’t had the opportunity early enough in way of loans and injuries at bad times.
Yes the u16s she was referring to will be the u18s for next season and that would have been the age group of Richardson and Taylor-Cooke. This new group of u16s are what would have been u15s last season, 4-5 have been involved in England
 
Theres absolutely no doubt damage has been done and we have lost some seriously talented people. Its hasn't all been lost though. I'll list some positives below

Current u23 who should be part of the 1st squad:
Elliot Embleton
Jack Diamond
Anthony Patterson

Most talent Academy graduates for coming season:
Dan Neil
Cole Keirnan

Academy 2nd year Scholars capped by England:
Ryan Gooch
Ellis Taylor

Academy 1st year scholars:
Adam Richardson england GK
Jay Taylor-Cooke highly rated played alot as a school boy for u18s

Also next season u16s will have 4-5 who have been involved with England. Paramount we retain these instead of cashing in like we had with the age above


Absolutely, always saying it.

Get our own lads in as a group, get them drilled, make sure they know what is expected of them and how WE want to play.

Then let them get on with it and stick together. Clear as day this should ALWAYS be SAFC approach.
 
Theres absolutely no doubt damage has been done and we have lost some seriously talented people. Its hasn't all been lost though. I'll list some positives below

Current u23 who should be part of the 1st squad:
Elliot Embleton
Jack Diamond
Anthony Patterson

Most talent Academy graduates for coming season:
Dan Neil
Cole Keirnan

Academy 2nd year Scholars capped by England:
Ryan Gooch
Ellis Taylor

Academy 1st year scholars:
Adam Richardson england GK
Jay Taylor-Cooke highly rated played alot as a school boy for u18s

Also next season u16s will have 4-5 who have been involved with England. Paramount we retain these instead of cashing in like we had with the age above
The problem is why would any of them stay now? Huge chunks of the best talent have gone, there is no believable path to the first team, they are going to be getting hammered every week and all the top clubs know we haven't been fighting to keep them.
With any foresight we should have had half of our first team squad being players that came through the academy next season, would have been such a huge boost.
 
The problem is why would any of them stay now? Huge chunks of the best talent have gone, there is no believable path to the first team, they are going to be getting hammered every week and all the top clubs know we haven't been fighting to keep them.
With any foresight we should have had half of our first team squad being players that came through the academy next season, would have been such a huge boost.


By showing them a path straight into the first 11, by not signing more squad shit from elsewhere, thereby allowing us to blood our own. Simple.

Only complicated by short sighted non strategic and amateur employees.
 
To quote Donald Rumsfeld, sometimes there are unknown unknowns at play. Thinking laterally there is inevitably going to be a salary cap, squad size and home grown quota conditions imposed on EFL clubs, either next season or the one after. The question is how will they play out and how can the club with the largest income in L1 gain an advantage from that.

We can't employ more 1st team players than our competitors and we can't pay them more overall either so the only outlet for that extra revenue is the academy. How about clearing the decks of last season's failures at that level (being done by the looks of it) and using this financial advantage to stock the academy with the best kids around sub-Premier League and the best scouts and coaches out there. Let's do to EFL clubs what the PL clubs have been doing to us....poach their kids with offers to learn at a Cat 1 academy and play for the biggest club below the Championship.

The old model where you bought the end product is dead at our level. Let's hope someone at the club has noticed this and is acting on it.
I don't really disagree and wouldn't even if there wasn't a salary cap but there is no evidence that we are going to have anything like that approach.
 
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