Cirkin


Are we all agreed then, the first contact was Chong's forearm / elbow into Cirkin's face? That's a straight red, isn't it? In real time, I can see why the ref made such a bollock of a decision, but it was the wrong decision.

On a slightly different topic, we're getting kicked off the park every week and the refs do nothing to either stop it or protect our players. 19 fouls? Players should be getting booked for persistent fouling, even if the fouls aren't individually booking worthy.
 
Rubbish, 1.50 into video, if that's your idea of nearly snapping someone in 2 you need to watch more football.
Both were bookable offences, first was a very clear foul, second he did purposely obstruct the run with a slight movement right . Obviously the second depends on the refs view but to be fair if it had been last man with someone through on our goal we'd have wanted him off with a straight red . Cant complain
 
Both were bookable offences, first was a very clear foul, second he did purposely obstruct the run with a slight movement right . Obviously the second depends on the refs view but to be fair if it had been last man with someone through on our goal we'd have wanted him off with a straight red . Cant complain
Can't complain? If a player elbows another player in the face, that's a straight red. Even if Cirkin was intending to block Chong, the first offence is Chong twatting Cirkin's nose.
 
Can't complain? If a player elbows another player in the face, that's a straight red. Even if Cirkin was intending to block Chong, the first offence is Chong twatting Cirkin's nose.
Hard to say for definite the elbow was violent conduct . If youre running at speed at someone intent on being an obstacle your arm will naturally come across so you dont get a head in the face . Not saying there wasnt some intent but it would be hard to state with the certainty required to send him off . And it wasnt first offense , if cirkin hadnt made the move he did there would have been nothing to 'defend' against .
If cirkin had the ball it would be a different matter of course .
 
I'm far more upset with Gelhardt for the backheel to nobody that gave them the ball seconds beforehand than I am with Cirkin for giving the referee a decision to make. Needless as owt. Chong and his mate gave Cirkin a torried afternoon - it happens - so he had to do something to stop them, but we didn't have to give the ball away so cheaply, and that's 100% on Gelhardt.
 
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Hard to say for definite the elbow was violent conduct . If youre running at speed at someone intent on being an obstacle your arm will naturally come across so you dont get a head in the face . Not saying there wasnt some intent but it would be hard to state with the certainty required to send him off . And it wasnt first offense , if cirkin hadnt made the move he did there would have been nothing to 'defend' against .
If cirkin had the ball it would be a different matter of course .

I played a fair bit of rugby, so have some experience of running into people. Your arm doesn't naturally come up to twat the other person in the face. I accept that this isn't an absolute and is only anecdotal. I don't recall any instances of Clarke, Roberts and Amad leading with their elbows and they get fouled on multiple occasions every week.
As regards it not being the first offence, how was it not the first offence? The first contact between the two players is Chong's forearm / elbow hitting Cirkin square in the mush. Being in the vicinity of a player is not an offence.
 
That's two red cards we've had this season where our player was actually assualted and injured, but got a red card. The one with Embleton at Hull was a bit more questionable, though there is no doubt that the Hull player careered into him and that was what caused his foot to flip up and catch the Hull player, who then made a meal of it and the referee was conned by seeing Embleton apparently kick him.

But the Cirkin one was an out and out assault by Chong. He never made any attempt to get around Cirkin, just deliberately ran straight at him with arms upraised. There was no way Cirkin could get out of his way. He got a bloodied nose and then a second booking for his troubles. The actions of Chong immediately afterwards as he got up and waved an imaginary card towards the ref show his intentions, and then he turned towards the bench and gave a fist pump to indicate he'd achieved his goal - disgraceful, he should be banned for that alone!
yes, yet more bias towards ANY team that play against us. Ref couldn't correct his mistake though because the **** already took his card out.

ref needs to be demoted and chong will hopefully get "one laid on him" in the future.
 
yes, yet more bias towards ANY team that play against us. Ref couldn't correct his mistake though because the **** already took his card out.

ref needs to be demoted and chong will hopefully get "one laid on him" in the future.
Well he could have booked Chong instead - in fact, looking at it again I think Chong was a little worried that it was him the ref was going to book.
 
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It's been explained to you earlier in this thread the inconsistencies of this little snapshot. What I do see is a young player who has had a season broken up by injury. He is brave, skilfull and will improve once he gets a decent run of games. That's all I'm going to say, as I don't see the point in discussing something with someone who will not even begin to consider that he may not be completely right.
 

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