I don't think all women are vulnerable at the time of the abortion, many are just relieved and happy.
But I bet many are which is the point
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I don't think all women are vulnerable at the time of the abortion, many are just relieved and happy.
You are betting, I am talking about girls and women I know of and about.But I bet many are which is the point
Not all are. But some are.I don't think all women are vulnerable at the time of the abortion, many are just relieved and happy.
We agree, but some on here seem to think all women are vulnerable wimps. I guess they mean kindly but it is a tad condescending don't you think?Not all are. But some are.
Completely agree.We agree, but some on here seem to think all women are vulnerable wimps. I guess they mean kindly but it is a tad condescending don't you think?
We agree, but some on here seem to think all women are vulnerable wimps. I guess they mean kindly but it is a tad condescending don't you think?
The patriarchy creates this magical energy field where women are strong, independent and men and women are exactly the same, while at the same time women are a protected class and need special treatment.They were brought up in a patriarchy. They don't know any better.
It’s condescending to say that all women will be vulnerable but some will be. And probably very.We agree, but some on here seem to think all women are vulnerable wimps. I guess they mean kindly but it is a tad condescending don't you think?
Because currently our technology is able to keep alive a baby born after 24 weeks, but before that babies rarely survive. So that’s the legal limit currently.
There was some debate recently about the creation of an artificial womb which is happening, which then brings this limit into debate.
Always think that's a daft reason mind "before that time it can't survive on its own". Fuck me, a 2 year old baby couldn't survive on its own, it needs it's mother (or another carer) but no one suggests that you should be able to kill newborns
Any competent adult can look after a bairn. It is biologically independent. A foetus isn’t
It's still a stupid reason to allow it to be killed .Any competent adult can look after a bairn. It is biologically independent. A foetus isn’t
Not all are. But some are.
It's still a stupid reason to allow it to be killed .
But the baby can't survive on its own, just like it can't when it's in the womb. If the argument is "it can't survive on its own" then it doesn't matter how many adults are capable of looking after it, a newborn also can't survive on its own so shouldn't get any more protection than a 12 week old foetus, if that's the definition
I don’t think it’s a stupid reason at all but I suppose we have entirely different ideological viewpoints
A 12 week old foetus isn’t a separate organism. A newborn is
If you took a 12 week old foetus out of a woman would it survive? No, even if it was looked after
If you took a newborn away from a woman would it survive? Yes, if it was looked after
I don’t think it’s a stupid reason at all but I suppose we have entirely different ideological viewpoints
A 12 week old foetus isn’t a separate organism. A newborn is
If you took a 12 week old foetus out of a woman would it survive? No, even if it was looked after
If you took a newborn away from a woman would it survive? Yes, if it was looked after
24 weeks and 1 day would be my guess. What are the chances of a foetus/baby surviving on it's own after that length of time and what kind of life would it have I wonder?So where do you draw the line Frijj? How many weeks?
Well technically, it’s because even with medical intervention, we can’t keep it alive.Always think that's a daft reason mind "before that time it can't survive on its own". Fuck me, a 2 year old baby couldn't survive on its own, it needs it's mother (or another carer) but no one suggests that you should be able to kill newborns
There has been a debate about this very thing as we have started to develop the articifial womb.So if eventually they find a way whereby a 1 week old foetus could be looked after would you support massively lowering the abortion limit then?
Many premature babies survive and live healthy lives nowadays. Just not before 24 weeks. Around 24 they need a shit load of NICU.24 weeks and 1 day would be my guess. What are the chances of a foetus/baby surviving on it's own after that length of time and what kind of life would it have I wonder?
24 weeks and 1 day would be my guess. What are the chances of a foetus/baby surviving on it's own after that length of time and what kind of life would it have I wonder?