But I bet many are which is the point
Christians gather around hospital to put women off having abortions
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But I bet many are which is the point
You are betting, I am talking about girls and women I know of and about.
Not all are. But some are.
We agree, but some on here seem to think all women are vulnerable wimps. I guess they mean kindly but it is a tad condescending don't you think?
Silksworth Lad
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Completely agree.
When considering an abortion women have difficult decisions to make at a time of extreme emotional upheaval. There will be doubts, tears, guilt, anxiety as well as relief and a sense of closure at a decision made. In my experience women demonstrate their strength at such times. They'll need support, sure, but they don't suddenly lose mental capacity or become passive.
Using the phrase "vulnerable women" denies women's strength and infantilises them. I suspect it also speaks to a need to protect by the men that bandy it about.
Harry Angstrom
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They were brought up in a patriarchy. They don't know any better.
The patriarchy creates this magical energy field where women are strong, independent and men and women are exactly the same, while at the same time women are a protected class and need special treatment.
It’s condescending to say that all women will be vulnerable but some will be. And probably very.
Always think that's a daft reason mind "before that time it can't survive on its own". Fuck me, a 2 year old baby couldn't survive on its own, it needs it's mother (or another carer) but no one suggests that you should be able to kill newborns
Any competent adult can look after a bairn. It is biologically independent. A foetus isn’t
But the baby can't survive on its own, just like it can't when it's in the womb. If the argument is "it can't survive on its own" then it doesn't matter how many adults are capable of looking after it, a newborn also can't survive on its own so shouldn't get any more protection than a 12 week old foetus, if that's the definition
WHD
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It's still a stupid reason to allow it to be killed .
MonkeyLove
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Is there anything more vunerable then an unborn growing foetus?
Lots of focus on vulnerability but doesn't seem to extend to them
I don’t think it’s a stupid reason at all but I suppose we have entirely different ideological viewpoints
A 12 week old foetus isn’t a separate organism. A newborn is
If you took a 12 week old foetus out of a woman would it survive? No, even if it was looked after
If you took a newborn away from a woman would it survive? Yes, if it was looked after
So if eventually they find a way whereby a 1 week old foetus could be looked after would you support massively lowering the abortion limit then?
MonkeyLove
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Silly debate this people's views on abortion are very entrenched.
No right or wrong answer
No right or wrong answer
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So where do you draw the line Frijj? How many weeks?
Mackem00
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24 weeks and 1 day would be my guess. What are the chances of a foetus/baby surviving on it's own after that length of time and what kind of life would it have I wonder?
Well technically, it’s because even with medical intervention, we can’t keep it alive.
Once our medical technology increases? It may come down.
There has been a debate about this very thing as we have started to develop the articifial womb.
Many premature babies survive and live healthy lives nowadays. Just not before 24 weeks. Around 24 they need a shit load of NICU.
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There’s recent research on foetal viability
Time reduces with each decade but it’s slow progress
