Chris Young: De Guzman isn't interested in Sunderland move..


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I'm disagreeing with your original post on this thread. We've established that it was total shite, as there isn't a single club in the league who had finished all their transfer business by season start. You changed the parameters then saying that it wasn't that the business was finished, it's that it had barely begun. Again, we've shown that to be wrong.

While we're at it, I'll disagree with your second post. I think there'll be new players arriving and that Congerton and Advocaat will still be here next Wednesday. We'll see who's right in a weeks time.

You then started trying to put words in my mouth by asking if I was claiming that everything in the Sunderland camp was rosy. Nobody is claiming that, me included.

If we're doing silly 70s sitcom analogies then you need to stop shouting WE'RE DOOMED! WE'RE DOOMED! as you're making us all look silly.

*sigh*

My subsequent posts have cleared up any confusion, no? Now we’ve established what you think of my opinions (sort of), what about yours?

Can I infer that you’re broadly happy with our business, or at least optimistic about what’s to come? If so, may I ask why? Is your satisfaction about our incomings (inc. 3 defenders) not shaken by the 10 goals we’ve shipped to Leicester, Norwich and Exeter. If we fail to sign anyone of note this window, will you reserve judgement to the end of the next? How long term a project is this, in your view? At what point would you feel that criticism is permitted?

You seem to think that pessimism is illogical in our current predicament. I’m genuinely interested to find our what you can see that I cannot.
 
Talk sport just said he will choose today between us and Everton. This is supposed to have come directly from his agent.
 
*sigh*

My subsequent posts have cleared up any confusion, no? Now we’ve established what you think of my opinions (sort of), what about yours?

Can I infer that you’re broadly happy with our business, or at least optimistic about what’s to come? If so, may I ask why? Is your satisfaction about our incomings (inc. 3 defenders) not shaken by the 10 goals we’ve shipped to Leicester, Norwich and Exeter. If we fail to sign anyone of note this window, will you reserve judgement to the end of the next? How long term a project is this, in your view? At what point would you feel that criticism is permitted?

You seem to think that pessimism is illogical in our current predicament. I’m genuinely interested to find our what you can see that I cannot.

Happy? 'Realistic' is probably a better word.

We just aren't going to throw another £50m at the problem, it's as simple as that. The Chairman has propped the club up to the tune of £20m a year, it has to stop. I think the most amazing thing about modern football is the massive sense of entitlement that fans have about money. It baffles me that fans can't accept that a club can only spend what it earns: But, but, but, he's a billionaire, another £100m is nothing to him - these types of posts are everywhere on this message board, it's absolutely astonishing.

Right, so now we judge our business on the money we have to spend. I'm supremely confident about Lens and M'Vila who are both cracking players, Kaboul has been a good Premier League defender so if his knee holds up he'll be fine, I'm not particulary sold on Coates but the Manager seems to rate him, Matthews is a typical cheap gamble that all clubs at our level make. For the money we've spent we've done very well this window. It's also been a very typical window for a Premier League club, 5 in before the season starts and a couple more approaching deadline is perfectly fine, despite what you claim.

So, to the squad as a whole. Do the little game I set the other poster on this thread. If you make a best XI combined of us and one other side expected to finish in the bottom half, we'll be well represented in it. The point I'm trying to illustrate here is that our team is not that bad. Yes we lack in certain areas, but so does every other team around us. This is true this season, it was last season, it will be next season and every other season in the future - unless we invest hundreds of millions trying to get to the next level.

I'm putting the defensive shambles of the first two games (didn't see Swansea or Exeter so can't comment) firmly at the feet of the Manager and the players. There is no way that group of players should have had the ball passed round them like that, it can only be organisation and tactics. I don't think it will be as bad again.

Pessimism is not a problem. The problem I have is the complete over-the-top doom ridden bollocks that is all over this message board. Have look back on the SMB, it was the same last year, the year before and the year before. It's always the same narrative: We're doomed, we need to spend £20m/50m/100m on another 4/8/20 players, we're definitely going down this year, just look at Southampton/Swansea/Stoke to see how it's done, the Chairman is crook, the manager needs to go, the players are shit......... If you believe the SMB we've definitely been relegated for the past 3 years, yet we still seem to be here.
 
Got to hope he has a good relationship with Dick, it's our only hope of getting him.
I knew a girl who had a good relationship with Dick. We'll, she did when we're going out anyway.....not that I knew anything about it til afterwards
 
Happy? 'Realistic' is probably a better word.

We just aren't going to throw another £50m at the problem, it's as simple as that. The Chairman has propped the club up to the tune of £20m a year, it has to stop. I think the most amazing thing about modern football is the massive sense of entitlement that fans have about money. It baffles me that fans can't accept that a club can only spend what it earns: But, but, but, he's a billionaire, another £100m is nothing to him - these types of posts are everywhere on this message board, it's absolutely astonishing.

Right, so now we judge our business on the money we have to spend. I'm supremely confident about Lens and M'Vila who are both cracking players, Kaboul has been a good Premier League defender so if his knee holds up he'll be fine, I'm not particulary sold on Coates but the Manager seems to rate him, Matthews is a typical cheap gamble that all clubs at our level make. For the money we've spent we've done very well this window. It's also been a very typical window for a Premier League club, 5 in before the season starts and a couple more approaching deadline is perfectly fine, despite what you claim.

So, to the squad as a whole. Do the little game I set the other poster on this thread. If you make a best XI combined of us and one other side expected to finish in the bottom half, we'll be well represented in it. The point I'm trying to illustrate here is that our team is not that bad. Yes we lack in certain areas, but so does every other team around us. This is true this season, it was last season, it will be next season and every other season in the future - unless we invest hundreds of millions trying to get to the next level.

I'm putting the defensive shambles of the first two games (didn't see Swansea or Exeter so can't comment) firmly at the feet of the Manager and the players. There is no way that group of players should have had the ball passed round them like that, it can only be organisation and tactics. I don't think it will be as bad again.

Pessimism is not a problem. The problem I have is the complete over-the-top doom ridden bollocks that is all over this message board. Have look back on the SMB, it was the same last year, the year before and the year before. It's always the same narrative: We're doomed, we need to spend £20m/50m/100m on another 4/8/20 players, we're definitely going down this year, just look at Southampton/Swansea/Stoke to see how it's done, the Chairman is crook, the manager needs to go, the players are shit......... If you believe the SMB we've definitely been relegated for the past 3 years, yet we still seem to be here.

We've survived by the skin of our teeth each of the last 3 years. I've been accused of being a happy clapper throughout, but our current predicament is a low point.

We don't have a permanent manager / coach. The bloke we have has had 11 jobs in the last 10 years, and is now openly criticising the club's administration in press conferences. All our bad players are a year older, a year more jaded. We needed 6 first teamers, and that's extremely unlikely to happen. Lens looks promising, I agree. M'Vila is more a wildcard. Kaboul has been shite for 18 months, Mathews / Coates appear to be squad filler.

As for the quality of our current players, well that's a judgement call. I think we've got one of the weakest squads in the league - bottom 6 at best. Those nearest to us (Palace, WBA) have a few match winners that we don't have. Add to that whatever issue has riddled the club for successive seasons - professionalism, discipline, whatever - then our awful start was depressingly predictable.

You cannot be financially prudent year-on-year and expect to survive in the Premier League. You can either speculate (on players, on scouts, on academy staff), or else you'll find your level in the Championship. We're doing the latter. I think it's OK that our fans aren't happy with that. And doom-mongery is, for perhaps the first time, completely rational. The national media is aligned to the most pessimistic corners of the SMB. Impartial observers universally think we're shite.

I admire your optimism, just know that it's based on irrational hope and not evidence. Castigating those who don't share your hope seems a bit pointless.
 
Happy? 'Realistic' is probably a better word.

We just aren't going to throw another £50m at the problem, it's as simple as that. The Chairman has propped the club up to the tune of £20m a year, it has to stop. I think the most amazing thing about modern football is the massive sense of entitlement that fans have about money. It baffles me that fans can't accept that a club can only spend what it earns: But, but, but, he's a billionaire, another £100m is nothing to him - these types of posts are everywhere on this message board, it's absolutely astonishing.

Right, so now we judge our business on the money we have to spend. I'm supremely confident about Lens and M'Vila who are both cracking players, Kaboul has been a good Premier League defender so if his knee holds up he'll be fine, I'm not particulary sold on Coates but the Manager seems to rate him, Matthews is a typical cheap gamble that all clubs at our level make. For the money we've spent we've done very well this window. It's also been a very typical window for a Premier League club, 5 in before the season starts and a couple more approaching deadline is perfectly fine, despite what you claim.

So, to the squad as a whole. Do the little game I set the other poster on this thread. If you make a best XI combined of us and one other side expected to finish in the bottom half, we'll be well represented in it. The point I'm trying to illustrate here is that our team is not that bad. Yes we lack in certain areas, but so does every other team around us. This is true this season, it was last season, it will be next season and every other season in the future - unless we invest hundreds of millions trying to get to the next level.

I'm putting the defensive shambles of the first two games (didn't see Swansea or Exeter so can't comment) firmly at the feet of the Manager and the players. There is no way that group of players should have had the ball passed round them like that, it can only be organisation and tactics. I don't think it will be as bad again.

Pessimism is not a problem. The problem I have is the complete over-the-top doom ridden bollocks that is all over this message board. Have look back on the SMB, it was the same last year, the year before and the year before. It's always the same narrative: We're doomed, we need to spend £20m/50m/100m on another 4/8/20 players, we're definitely going down this year, just look at Southampton/Swansea/Stoke to see how it's done, the Chairman is crook, the manager needs to go, the players are shit......... If you believe the SMB we've definitely been relegated for the past 3 years, yet we still seem to be here.

top post mate, nail on head
 
Happy? 'Realistic' is probably a better word.

We just aren't going to throw another £50m at the problem, it's as simple as that. The Chairman has propped the club up to the tune of £20m a year, it has to stop. I think the most amazing thing about modern football is the massive sense of entitlement that fans have about money. It baffles me that fans can't accept that a club can only spend what it earns: But, but, but, he's a billionaire, another £100m is nothing to him - these types of posts are everywhere on this message board, it's absolutely astonishing.

Right, so now we judge our business on the money we have to spend. I'm supremely confident about Lens and M'Vila who are both cracking players, Kaboul has been a good Premier League defender so if his knee holds up he'll be fine, I'm not particulary sold on Coates but the Manager seems to rate him, Matthews is a typical cheap gamble that all clubs at our level make. For the money we've spent we've done very well this window. It's also been a very typical window for a Premier League club, 5 in before the season starts and a couple more approaching deadline is perfectly fine, despite what you claim.

So, to the squad as a whole. Do the little game I set the other poster on this thread. If you make a best XI combined of us and one other side expected to finish in the bottom half, we'll be well represented in it. The point I'm trying to illustrate here is that our team is not that bad. Yes we lack in certain areas, but so does every other team around us. This is true this season, it was last season, it will be next season and every other season in the future - unless we invest hundreds of millions trying to get to the next level.

I'm putting the defensive shambles of the first two games (didn't see Swansea or Exeter so can't comment) firmly at the feet of the Manager and the players. There is no way that group of players should have had the ball passed round them like that, it can only be organisation and tactics. I don't think it will be as bad again.

Pessimism is not a problem. The problem I have is the complete over-the-top doom ridden bollocks that is all over this message board. Have look back on the SMB, it was the same last year, the year before and the year before. It's always the same narrative: We're doomed, we need to spend £20m/50m/100m on another 4/8/20 players, we're definitely going down this year, just look at Southampton/Swansea/Stoke to see how it's done, the Chairman is crook, the manager needs to go, the players are shit......... If you believe the SMB we've definitely been relegated for the past 3 years, yet we still seem to be here.

Excellent post
 
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