China Taiwan war



You’d need to go back further than 20 years. For the last 50 years China has led the new industrial revolution.

For those who don’t want to read up on it there is an episode on history 101 on Netflix that covers the rise of the new Chinese empire through manufacturing
I think it’s moved on a hell of a lot in the last 20 though.
 

Kent_Mackem

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Rather than being obsessed about money and power, killing fellow humans in the process, wouldn't it be great if all humans could just work together and fix the issues we all face as a species?

All that money spent on death and destruction of our species, other species and the planet. Thousands of billions over the years. It could have gone on useful stuff.
 
20th National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party takes place this year so this will make Jinping look good heading in to that.
I read he's under pressure from within the party for being weak on Taiwan. We assume these dictators are the worst of the worst without any idea of the ghouls lining up behind them.

Interesting view on Pelosi's ill-advised visit here.

 

Wild Card

Midfield
Rather than being obsessed about money and power, killing fellow humans in the process, wouldn't it be great if all humans could just work together and fix the issues we all face as a species?

All that money spent on death and destruction of our species, other species and the planet. Thousands of billions over the years. It could have gone on useful stuff.

I think a lot of people would absolutely love that, we could end poverty, increase education to everyone and greatly reduce hatred across the globe.

Unfortunately a hand full of people, who wield most of the power cannot stop themselves dick swinging and thinking insularly. They are so scared of losing the power they hold they wont risk being better and reaching human potential.
 
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I read he's under pressure from within the party for being weak on Taiwan. We assume these dictators are the worst of the worst without any idea of the ghouls lining up behind them.

Interesting view on Pelosi's ill-advised visit here.


I understand why some may call it ill-advised but what’s the alternative?

Should the US bow to China’s demands? If so, why?

The reason for calling her visit ill-advised appears to be that it had consequences…so does every course of action that one country wants and another doesn’t.

There are consequences to her not visiting.

There are economic, social, political and military consequences to arming Ukraine, yet here we are.

China is the single biggest threat to western society, at this moment in time.

We shouldn’t stand idly by and let them take over half the world as they’re trying to do. Taiwan is just the start.
 
I understand why some may call it ill-advised but what’s the alternative?

Should the US bow to China’s demands? If so, why?

The reason for calling her visit ill-advised appears to be that it had consequences…so does every course of action that one country wants and another doesn’t.

There are consequences to her not visiting.

There are economic, social, political and military consequences to arming Ukraine, yet here we are.

China is the single biggest threat to western society, at this moment in time.

We shouldn’t stand idly by and let them take over half the world as they’re trying to do. Taiwan is just the start.
She's abandoning the agreement with China and provoking them. I assume she isn't so stupid as not to know how China would react, she had a couple of previous examples to refer to.

Explain what you mean by "taking over half the world" and what exactly is the "threat to western society"? As benign promoters of liberal democracy these are things we should understand before encouraging military intervention.
 

safcforever

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I don’t think so, not yet at least. I think they’ll continue to sit back and watch their mates with vast land and resources to the north get weaker by the day with more interest and Taiwan is a nice opportunity for a bit of power play and reminders to the world about how they feel over the subject. China are playing the long game imo.
I’m not so sure. They’re not gonna get many chances to position themselves this perfectly to attack.

If their intentions are to take Taiwan then they would be stupid not to do it over the next few days
I doubt it although I'm still a bit baffled what Pelosi was trying to achieve with her visit.


I have no idea what you're talking about.
I’m normally looking for any excuse to point the finger at Biden and his team. However that visit was a strong move.
I thought they may try this when Russia kicked off, but they've got mortgage strikes going on and a bit of a housing crisis - I don't think it would be the smartest move right now
The falklands was rumoured that the invasion was a distraction from Argentinas debt.
 
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Cow

Midfield
Pelosi isn’t evil. Honestly the conspiracy nonsense people believe. You’re better than this.
What makes you think she isn’t? It’s hardly conspiracy when she’s speaker, influencing trade deals and her husband then profits from trading with companies she’s dealt with.
Pelosi isn’t evil. Honestly the conspiracy nonsense people believe. You’re better than this.
Actually, I’ll concede evil is a bit strong, corrupt is much bette

Edit: I’m also really not better than that😂😂😂
 
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She's abandoning the agreement with China and provoking them. I assume she isn't so stupid as not to know how China would react, she had a couple of previous examples to refer to.

Explain what you mean by "taking over half the world" and what exactly is the "threat to western society"? As benign promoters of liberal democracy these are things we should understand before encouraging military intervention.

China are inserting themselves into the economies of many developing countries by offering them loans that are too good to say no to, but that they default on anyways, and then China takes strategic assets as payment.

Case in point, that port in Sri Lanka. Paid for by Chinese money, with Chinese workers, and when Sri Lanka defaulted on the loans for it, the Chinese took it over.

They’re getting involved as a financier in several African nations and doubtless they have the same intentions.

I consider them a threat to the western world because of their shocking record on human rights and democracy, and their expansionist ideas.

Trying to take over the the South China Sea, crushing democracy in Hong Kong, next it’ll be Taiwan, then where?

We thought Hitler would stop with Czechoslovakia remember?
What makes you think she isn’t? It’s hardly conspiracy when she’s speaker, influencing trade deals and her husband then profits from trading with companies she’s dealt with.

Actually, I’ll concede evil is a bit strong, corrupt is much bette

Edit: I’m also really not better than that😂😂😂

It’s a jump from “insider trading” to “evil”.
 

Chatty83

Midfield
The same Americans who couldn't win in Afghanistan and Vietnam?
It's hard to won on away soil which is exactly why China will massively struggle to take Taiwan even without direct help from the USA.

Taiwan have a better military than Ukraine and have been preparing for this for a long time and add to that they are an island which makes it far harder to take over.

I think China trying to take them will lock them into a long drawn out shithouse of a battle just like the Russians are finding. Ultimately coming down to attrition and how long the invaded can hold out without western supplies.

China seem to be struggling financially like the rest of the world and have their own problems on the mainland so whilst I think this will happen they really need to be careful when they go for it.

Japan will be watching all this with glee as they have their own land disputes with both China and Russia and will likely pounce of they feel either state is weakened enough. China also have a land dispute with India and could find themselves feeling pressure on all sides if they piss enough people off.

As for US losing to Afghanistan and Vietnam, it really does come down to what they wanted to achieve. They were never going to take over either country nor did they try. Afghanista was a resources war which they achieved and Vietnam was a proxy war on communism which you can also say they achieved (though both of these victory's were short term things).
 

Cow

Midfield
China are inserting themselves into the economies of many developing countries by offering them loans that are too good to say no to, but that they default on anyways, and then China takes strategic assets as payment.

Case in point, that port in Sri Lanka. Paid for by Chinese money, with Chinese workers, and when Sri Lanka defaulted on the loans for it, the Chinese took it over.

They’re getting involved as a financier in several African nations and doubtless they have the same intentions.

I consider them a threat to the western world because of their shocking record on human rights and democracy, and their expansionist ideas.

Trying to take over the the South China Sea, crushing democracy in Hong Kong, next it’ll be Taiwan, then where?

We thought Hitler would stop with Czechoslovakia remember?


It’s a jump from “insider trading” to “evil”.
Depends how you define evil, making policies which benefit you and your husband while letting the people of the country you’re supposed to be helping stave and live in poverty could be construed as evil.🤔
 

zwartekat

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After Japan’s defeat in World War II, Japan relinquished control of Taiwan and the government of the Republic of China (ROC), led by Chiang Kai-shek’s Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT), re-established Chinese control over the island. After the Chinese Communistsdefeated ROC government forces in the Chinese Civil War (1945-1949), the KMT-led ROC regime retreated to Taiwan and established the island as a base of operations to fight back to the Chinese mainland.

The new People’s Republic of China (PRC) government on the mainland, led by Mao Zedong, began preparations to “liberate” Taiwan by military force. This began a period of Taiwan’s de facto political independence from the Chinese mainland which continues today.

I kinda paraphrased the history to suit the SMB.

It seems people won’t read long posts or focus effectively on detail so my post was therefore brief, snappy, and tabloid like.

Apologies for any confusion my irreverent post caused.
Okay, so you were condensing Wiki, but that still doesn't explain how you came to the conclusion it was our fault?

Your post wasn't irreverent, it was just ignoring how complicated the background to Taiwan is. Even more so than what you've posted above but I get what you were trying to do.
 

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