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Like I said, only 2 rows were applicable to this incident and it's a piece of piss to follow and you don't have to be smart to work it out at all. The table is to make it simpler for people to understand as it's a summary table of the rules.

In this case, it was missed and the opposing player cleared the ball away so retake it as he should be clearing it away. That's the basics as the outcome changes for a Chelsea player scoring a follow up. If you can't follow what happens after a penna is missed (or scored) depending on a player being in the penna area then that's you as an individual.

Did you even click the link? The other parts of the table apply to the keeper coming off his line, a player stuttering his swinging kick, a player kicking the ball backwards etc which are different rules. Before you bitch about the long rules, it's exactly the same numerous rules that can affect a free kick, corner, goal kick etc and they can have a load of separate lines also. As has been shown on here, people aren't aware of every part of the rule and then start moaning about decisions because they only know the basics.

Basically you're bitching about something that isn't there (at a guess, I'd dare say it's more to do with you not liking VAR) as it's just various rules hoyed in a table. In reality it was 1 part of the penalty rule regarding encroachment and very simple to work out for officials as the rule that came into effect is highlighted in red below. Most people probably know a few penna rules already like the keeper can't come off his line, the kicker can't kick the ball if it comes back off the post etc. Some will have seen this encroachment rule come into effect in the past as VAR now checks for it every time, hence why a few posters in this thread explained to others why it happened.

Offences and sanctions
Once the referee has signalled for a penalty kick to be taken, the kick must be taken; if it is not taken the referee may take disciplinary action before signalling again for the kick to be taken.
If, before the ball is in play, one of the following occurs:
the player taking the penalty kick or a team-mate offends:

  • if the ball enters the goal, the kick is retaken
  • if the ball does not enter the goal, the referee stops play and restarts with an indirect free kick
except for the following when play will be stopped and restarted with an indirect free kick, regardless of whether or not a goal is scored:
  • a penalty kick is kicked backwards
  • a team-mate of the identified kicker takes the kick; the referee cautions the player who took the kick
  • feinting to kick the ball once the kicker has completed the run-up (feinting in the run-up is permitted); the referee cautions the kicker
the goalkeeper offends:
  • if the ball enters the goal, a goal is awarded
  • if the ball misses the goal or rebounds from the crossbar or goalpost(s), the kick is only retaken if the goalkeeper’s offence clearly impacted on the kicker
  • if the ball is prevented from entering the goal by the goalkeeper, the kick is retaken
If the goalkeeper’s offence results in the kick being retaken, the goalkeeper is warned for the first offence in the game and cautioned for any subsequent offence(s) in the game
a team-mate of the goalkeeper offends:

  • if the ball enters the goal, a goal is awarded
  • if the ball does not enter the goal, the kick is retaken
a player of both teams offends, the kick is retaken unless a player commits a more serious offence (e.g. 'illegal' feinting);

both the goalkeeper and the kicker commit an offence at the same time, the kicker is cautioned and play restarts with an indirect free kick to the defending team

If, after the penalty kick has been taken:

  • the kicker touches the ball again before it has touched another player:

    • an indirect free kick (or direct free kick for a handball offence) is awarded
  • the ball is touched by an outside agent as it moves forward:

    • the kick is retaken unless the ball is going into the goal and the interference does not prevent the goalkeeper or defending player playing the ball, in which case the goal is awarded if the ball enters the goal (even if contact was made with the ball) unless the interference was by the attacking team.
the ball rebounds into the field of play from the goalkeeper, the crossbar or the goalposts and is then touched by an outside agent:
  • the referee stops play
  • play is restarted with a dropped ball at the position where it touched the outside agent
So you quote a very small part of a larger rule and then miss the point completely. What a muppet. Get on ignore you fool.
 
So you quote a very small part of a larger rule and then miss the point completely. What a muppet. Get on ignore you fool.
Personal insults but there's only 1 muppet fool here expecting footy rules to be basic as fuck and just 1 line long 🤣 Thank fuck I'm on your ignore so I won't have you replying to me again to explain the 'basics' in detail again.

As for the handball, without me going back and checking I've no doubt you will have said it wasn't a penna, this is before the kick and when the handball happened. His arm is straight down just before the cross and then his hand is raised with his forearm sticking outside his body. That's why smart players pull in their arms or just turn with arms behind their back and have done for ages. If that was Roberts crossing it in and no penna given there would be another 50 page thread about the officials and VAR f***ing up by not giving a penna.

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Looks like it shouldn't have been retaken after it, the amount of obscure rules in our game is ridiculous.

Just send it's seb
Aye as you say it's SEB but to add more to my earlier post, that's his own interpretation of the rule. It's incorrect and misleading people as he's adding the bit about it impacting an opponent and a Chelsea player kicking it. The rule itself is pretty basic as you see below.

a team-mate of the goalkeeper offends:
[*]if the ball enters the goal, a goal is awarded
[*]if the ball does not enter the goal, the kick is retaken
a player of both teams offends, the kick is retaken unless a player commits a more serious offence (e.g. 'illegal' feinting);


If a penna is missed and is cleared by a defender who was in the penna area (offends) then it's retaken. Or vice versa, if Havertz scored and only a Chelsea player was in the box (offends), even though he'd not impacting play then the penna would be retaken. Note the last part of the rule because if players from either team run in then it's retaken regardless.

This is actually what happened as there's 3 Chelsea players in the penna area also. It's just a rule that is rarely used so fewer people are aware of it. Though a few posters in here already knew about it and it's been used more since VAR can check better than relying on the ref and linesman to spot everything going on when a penna is taken.
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:edit: Ignore above :lol:
 
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Watched the game tonight. Couldn't beleve how bad Chelsea were.Complete team needed rebuild. 11 strangers on pitch.Alonso,why did you go ?
 


Looks like it shouldn't have been retaken after it, the amount of obscure rules in our game is ridiculous.

Just send it's seb
The simple answer to this is that both teams encroached a stupid amount so common sense says 2 wrongs make a right and play on. Same if one of the Chelsea players tapped it in - goal stands.

The rules as written are completely and utterly broken. The fact they need a giant what if table to attempt to explain it says everything you need to know about how bad the rule is.
 
So on the penalty, do we simply keep doing retakes forever (scored or not) until there isn't a single foot touching the penalty box line... Perhaps they need to eliminate the risk completely and treat in game penalties like penalty shoot outs where the taker gets one shot away and the ball is dead once saved/scored, no rebounds etc.

It just felt a bit like 'as long as a goal was scored then encroachment is fine'.
 

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