Cashing in is biting the owners in the ass

[Grumpy Old Man]

What, Reece james was on wages disproportionate to our income??

It wasn't a new contract - it was an exercise of an option in his old one.

Did we not owe money to that club ?

I think that's a coincidence. It seems to have been driven from the Bordeaux side, ie they approached Maja. Why would we have approached Bordeaux when we wanted to keep him? Could it not be that Bordeaux saw this as an easy way of getting the Khazri deal over and done with, not the other way round? No cash changes hands, and they get Maja.

Im not saying I don’t agree with this, tu do you have evidence that both Oviedo and Cattermole are still being payed by the club. If you do have evidence could you post it up on here, thanks.

Who is Fagan

You're getting your novels crossed - Fagan is Oliver Twist. And you probably meant Scrooge anyway, which is A Christmas Carol.

 

[North Yorks Mackem]

It wasn't a new contract - it was an exercise of an option in his old one.

Isnt the point here that we've sold/let go a player who is better than what we've brought in and who will have been on minimal wages. To say he was on wages that we essentially couldn't afford is wrong imo. It was an illogical decision.

 

[Flea Market Trader]

It wasn't a new contract - it was an exercise of an option in his old one.


I think that's a coincidence. It seems to have been driven from the Bordeaux side, ie they approached Maja. Why would we have approached Bordeaux when we wanted to keep him? Could it not be that Bordeaux saw this as an easy way of getting the Khazri deal over and done with, not the other way round? No cash changes hands, and they get Maja.


You're getting your novels crossed - Fagan is Oliver Twist. And you probably meant Scrooge anyway, which is A Christmas Carol.

Bagh humbug

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

Bagh humbug

The mantra of the choral singer at this time of year. I have five performances I'm part of between 14 and 21 December. By Christmas Day I've had more than enough.

 

[Hawyatt Earp]

Isnt the point here that we've sold/let go a player who is better than what we've brought in and who will have been on minimal wages. To say he was on wages that we essentially couldn't afford is wrong imo. It was an illogical decision.

Pretty much every player that has left has been replaced by someone significantly worse.

When Charlie Methven and Donald Stewart said about how they could get rid of one high earner and bring in 5 or 6 league one players for the same money, I was banging my head against a brick wall about how 1 player with even just flashes of skill and occasional brilliance would be better than 6 cloggers.

Example: Despite promising us he didn't have to, Donald Stewart actually got rid of Brian Oviedo, replaced him with Laurens De Bock and is still paying Oviedo's wages. The man is the epitome of incompetence

 

[gatopreto]

For me the problem isn't lettings players go its the poor quality of the replacements. Footballers will always come and go but you need to take pride and put emphasis on recruiting quality players with the right attitude.

 

[Arfa Sleep]

According to Josh, he was not offered what he asked for, and he wanted to stay.

So it's a he-said she-said and frankly one of these parties has had his... forthright nature... thrown into question more than the other.

In the Echo piece he says he wanted to stay and the next quote is essentially him saying he wanted to leave for Bordeaux.

must be true if Donald said it, what with his track record for honesty

Whereas these players never lie, almost like the truth is somewhere in the middle.

 

[Neil 71]

We could of paid him nowt extra and just let him see the season out.

Exactly

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

Exactly

Which would have cost us the best part of £3m. If he'd left as a free agent, we'd only have got UEFA compensation of around £200k for him. And there's no guarantee that, having been denied his move, he'd have been the same player as he was before Christmas, nor that we'd have been guaranteed promotion had he stayed (although that was possibly more likely). Caught between a rock and a hard place, as it were.

 

[The Albanian]

In the Echo piece he says he wanted to stay and the next quote is essentially him saying he wanted to leave for Bordeaux.


Whereas these players never lie, almost like the truth is somewhere in the middle.

we have zero evidence of Maja lying

 

[Arfa Sleep]

we have zero evidence of Maja lying

So are assuming Maja wanted to stay but the club just couldn't match what he wanted?

 

[MackemMagic]

Should have used something from Harry Potter for the young uns marra

“We’re skint Harry”

That should work.

 

[Deleted member 31333]

Im not saying I don’t agree with this, tu do you have evidence that both Oviedo and Cattermole are still being payed by the club. If you do have evidence could you post it up on here, thanks.

Who is Fagan

It was posted onto here & twitter from one of those talk ins with Charlie

 

[englishman abroad]

Of those only Maja would make any major difference

I think James is way better than Hune and that plank we signed from Leeds, Matthew's McLoughin is debatable

 

[North Yorks Mackem]

Pretty much every player that has left has been replaced by someone significantly worse.

When Charlie Methven and Donald Stewart said about how they could get rid of one high earner and bring in 5 or 6 league one players for the same money, I was banging my head against a brick wall about how 1 player with even just flashes of skill and occasional brilliance would be better than 6 cloggers.

Example: Despite promising us he didn't have to, Donald Stewart actually got rid of Brian Oviedo, replaced him with Laurens De Bock and is still paying Oviedo's wages. The man is the epitome of incompetence

Totally agree mate.

 

[The Albanian]

Pretty much every player that has left has been replaced by someone significantly worse.

When Charlie Methven and Donald Stewart said about how they could get rid of one high earner and bring in 5 or 6 league one players for the same money, I was banging my head against a brick wall about how 1 player with even just flashes of skill and occasional brilliance would be better than 6 cloggers.

Example: Despite promising us he didn't have to, Donald Stewart actually got rid of Brian Oviedo, replaced him with Laurens De Bock and is still paying Oviedo's wages. The man is the epitome of incompetence

Signed Leadbitter > Released Cattermole > Kept paying Cattermole > kept Leadbitter > signer Dobson

That little escapade alone shows he doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing

 

[offshore]

Question that needs asking is would it really of cost us more to give Maja what he wanted than what it’s cost us to bring Grigg in

Probably not but if his head was turned then he end up like Grigg...not giving a fuck..

 

[jaxaxe]

We have sold anybody who can bring in cash, thinking we could easily replace them and it has killed us.
Maja - Donald forced a decision
Honeyman - didn’t ask to leave
James - signed a new contract
Matthews - we thought he was too expensive.

All of their replacements have failed miserably as our scouting is diabolical. I predict that we will go the same route with John Mc and Luke O’Nein if someone offers cash. Maybe even young Denver could go !!!

You smell of Bisto.

 

[Ashley In!!]

Which would have cost us the best part of £3m. If he'd left as a free agent, we'd only have got UEFA compensation of around £200k for him. And there's no guarantee that, having been denied his move, he'd have been the same player as he was before Christmas, nor that we'd have been guaranteed promotion had he stayed (although that was possibly more likely). Caught between a rock and a hard place, as it were.

What will a minimum of a third season in this division cost us?

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

What will a minimum of a third season in this division cost us?

20/20 hindsight's a wonderful thing. You can't change the past. All I'm saying is that the decision made in January was rational. And if the Will Grigg who played in this division before had turned up, the argument would probably be academic. It's at least arguable that our season changed the moment he missed that sitter in his debut.