Cases today



rudd

Striker
Not quite. The way deaths are coded mean that they also include pneumonia which can be caused by various bacteria, viruses and fungus.

Prior to Covid viruses were estimated to account for about a third of the deaths of pneumonia and influenza is one of many different viruses that can cause it.
Yup, from the link that was provided, these are the deaths for flu.


Influenza​



DateTotal
mortality
EnglandWalesEngland
and Wales
Resident outside
England and Wales
20181,5981,523731,5962
20191,2231,160531,21310
 

SAFCOldie

Striker
Not quite. The way deaths are coded mean that they also include pneumonia which can be caused by various bacteria, viruses and fungus.

Prior to Covid viruses were estimated to account for about a third of the deaths of pneumonia and influenza is one of many different viruses that can cause it.
One thing we certainly know is large parts of the popularion weren't tested daily for flu infection, so certainly none of this within 28 days business was going on.
 

Gelan

Midfield
Not quite. The way deaths are coded mean that they also include pneumonia which can be caused by various bacteria, viruses and fungus.

Prior to Covid viruses were estimated to account for about a third of the deaths of pneumonia and influenza is one of many different viruses that can cause it.
I appoint you Covid 19 moderator... can understand you like, plus you don't swear at me đź‘Ť
 

DoctorMick

Striker
I find it more weird that you’re so worried about the awful virus and choose not to get vaccinated because you’re a martyr
You’ve spelled “f***ing idiot” wrong marra.
You are. You’re worried about the virus (rightly), but won’t take a vaccine because it’s not 100% effective, despite it helping

you’re the very definition of martyr
And again.
 

Botchie

Striker
It would take a dramatic change for the country to lockdown again now I reckon. You just have to look at the other problems we have going on to see that not one business would be in favour of it.
 

Gelan

Midfield
It would take a dramatic change for the country to lockdown again now I reckon. You just have to look at the other problems we have going on to see that not one business would be in favour of it.
I don't think Covd will overwhelm the NHS, and thats the trigger. My worry is that if the NHS are overwhelmed by flu, can the lockdown laws be applied?
 

Jap Stammer

Winger
I do find it a bit worrying when you compare how we're doing compared to other countries.

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I agree. It's been mentioned on another thread.

Difficult to understand how we seem to be so vastly different to the rest of Europe in particular. I can see how the continued wearing of masks can have some effect, but not 15-20 times different.
 

Sgt Pepper

Striker
I agree. It's been mentioned on another thread.

Difficult to understand how we seem to be so vastly different to the rest of Europe in particular. I can see how the continued wearing of masks can have some effect, but not 15-20 times different.

I posted about this on another thread a few weeks ago about my observations having been to Greece and Italy this summer about the possible reasons for difference and the gist of it was: 1) better warmer (and reliable) summer weather in Europe compared to here means lots more outdoor living - even bars and restaurants are nearly all wide open frontages, pavement settings or whatever so you’ve got good outdoor ventilation. Here it’s average at best and we don’t have that outdoor culture as a result. 2) Mask wearing was pretty much universal in all indoor settings and on public transport, even in Venice on the water taxis and boats where you’re technically outdoors everyone wore them.

Not fact or scientific by any means, but just my observation and comparisons.
 

Sam Handwich

Striker
I posted about this on another thread a few weeks ago about my observations having been to Greece and Italy this summer about the possible reasons for difference and the gist of it was: 1) better warmer (and reliable) summer weather in Europe compared to here means lots more outdoor living - even bars and restaurants are nearly all wide open frontages, pavement settings or whatever so you’ve got good outdoor ventilation. Here it’s average at best and we don’t have that outdoor culture as a result. 2) Mask wearing was pretty much universal in all indoor settings and on public transport, even in Venice on the water taxis and boats where you’re technically outdoors everyone wore them.

Not fact or scientific by any means, but just my observation and comparisons.
They are still outdoors across Europe. We have been indoors a good month now, however as the graph above shows, we had more cases at the height of Summer than we have now
 

aupaalaves

Striker
45,000 daily cases yesterday in the UK compared to 1,923 in the whole of Spain.

That's the result of the different approach both governments have taken.

I imagine the UK was happy with restrictions to end but did it anticipate to have such high numbers in daily cases?
 

Jap Stammer

Winger
45,000 daily cases yesterday in the UK compared to 1,923 in the whole of Spain.

That's the result of the different approach both governments have taken.

I imagine the UK was happy with restrictions to end but did it anticipate to have such high numbers in daily cases?
It's that level of discrepancy that I struggle to get my head around.

Can a largely outdoor-based social scene and continued mask-wearing in shops, on public transport, really have that kind of overall effect? It's more than 20 times better than the UK!
 

aupaalaves

Striker
It's that level of discrepancy that I struggle to get my head around.

Can a largely outdoor-based social scene and continued mask-wearing in shops, on public transport, really have that kind of overall effect? It's more than 20 times better than the UK!

The evidence would say yes but it's also down to attitudes as well.

The UK have pretty much against the use of masks and the lockdown throughout the pandemic.

On the other hand, Spaniards have been in favour of them. In fact, obligatory mask wearing outdoors was scrapped 3 or 4 months ago yet at least 50% of the population still prefer to wear a mask outdoors.

Spanish government wasted no time offering jabs to 12-16 year olds before the school term started so that has also helped.
 

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