Can we put the pitch-forks away now?


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See you avoided the Defoe Stewart comparison in that reply.
Because I was using a player our fans weren’t happy with that could do the things you wanted, and a player they were happy with that couldn’t, to highlight how simplistic your argument was.

Tactics change based on the player you’re playing with. We are in league 1, we’re not Man City, we can’t just go out and buy 5 players almost identical in attribute and play them interchangeably. If we had 2 Ross Stewart’s we’d struggle to keep one happy.
 
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Because I was using a player our fans wasn’t happy with that could do the things you wanted, and a player they were happy with that couldn’t, to highlight how simplistic your argument was.

Tactics change based on the player you’re playing with. We are in league 1, we’re not Man City, we can’t just go out and buy 5 players almost identical in attribute and play them interchangeably. If we had 2 Ross Stewart’s we’d struggle to keep one happy.
No you were attempting to back up Speakman by suggesting Defoe was signed and could do the job Stewart does for the team. I pointed out you're talking nonsense and Speakman hasn't helped either LJ or AN by not sorting this out.
 
No you were attempting to back up Speakman by suggesting Defoe was signed and could do the job Stewart does for the team. I pointed out you're talking nonsense and Speakman hasn't helped either LJ or AN by not sorting this out.
No you’re putting words in my mouth. Somebody said he didn’t get a backup for Stewart, I asked what position they thought Defoe was signed to play in.
 
No you’re putting words in my mouth. Somebody said he didn’t get a backup for Stewart, I asked what position they thought Defoe was signed to play in.
So he hasn't got a back up for Stewart, glad we sorted that out.

Now go and get yourself to bed and get some sleep eh.
 
This place has been a pure lynch-mob for weeks now, it’s horrible to read and enough is enough already.

The way everyone has turned on Speakman and KLD so quickly is crazy.

Speakman is human, humans make mistakes. Much in the same way Jermaine Defoe won’t score with every shot he takes, Speakman won’t get every move he makes right either.

Overall I’d say he’s done a good job here. Under his stewardship we have swapped McFadzeon for Cirkin, Pritchard for Maguire, Stewart for Wyke, we got a replacement for Burge which I didn’t personally think was necessary but each to their own, the new signing Clark looks class and Matete looks decent. In fact almost every player we have signed seems to be an improvement on the player they have replaced. The club seems to have a structure now with a good scouting networks, and on the whole the football has been a lot more enjoyable to watch than under Jurassic Parkinson and Jack Ross.

Alright he’s fucked up letting too many defenders go at once, and something has definitely happened behind the scenes with Lee Johnson being sacked. But be honest now, were any of you that are calling for Speakman head now, not calling for Johnson’s head before he was sacked?

I kind of understood it when peoples knives were out for Stewart, but wanting KLD and Speakman out baffles me.

I just think we need to move away from the toxic atmosphere and try to support our team. Mistakes have happened, that’s life, dust yourself off and go again.

Anyway, come at me bed-wetters :lol:
Not yet the pitch is in a terrible condition
 
Hoffman, cirkin, batth, Doyle, Winchester, Evans, dajaku and Stewart.

They made up 8 of our starting 11, in the worst and most embarrassing defeat in the history of this football club. I’m not saying they are all duds, Stewart is fantastic most of the time and some of the others are good players.

That doesn’t detract from the fact that 8 out of 11 players signed by Speakman and his data model made up our most embarrassing day in almost 150 years since we became a club.

He is the director of football, so oversees a huge part of this football club. No matter which way you dress it up, in any line of work in any line of business in the world, if one of the top bosses of the origination makes fatal errors which prove this costly, the 100% deserve to be questioned and criticised. In the vast majority of businesses a day that dreadful would lead to heads rolling.

Dress it up how you want, but this is league one. The whole data and signing players who are on the cusp, who haven’t quite reached potential, or are injury prone, or who have great potential, means we lack some huge elements in what should be an easy league to get out of for a club like us.

Leadership, experience and heart is severely lacking in a squad that he’s built. If you want to give the man credit for replacing worse players with better ones, how can he not take criticism when things go wrong.

It’s not “bed wetting” these are cold hard facts. For the last 5 years anyone who dares question anything gets given the title of bed wetter. Let’s be honest here, as things stand the concern is not misplaced. The concern has proved correct and we as a club are looking at 5 season in the pits of English football.

It’s not bed wetting, it’s facing facts, and questioning what is ultimately a failing and sinking ship season after season.

Serious question, when can we question, when can we raise issues, when can we actually stand up and face facts that it isn’t rosy, it’s pathetic.
@Lucky1985 have you replied to this post yet? Or are you intentionally ignoring posts that you have no answer for?
 
I like Neil.

I don’t hate Speakman I just think he’s out of his depth in this new role he’s been handed by signing for us.

KLD I’m still on the fence on as he’s clearly hiding something for Donald and Charlie and he’s a simpleton for liking posts about Keane only for us to utterly fail to meet expectations and not get him. I do feel like Neil is the better option but it’s the way we messed around is the issue and even considering McCann or Lennon by interviewing them is criminal and a waste of resources and time.

Ultimately Donald and Charlie still need to fuck off for good and if KLD is helping them with their shit he can go too. If KLD wants rid of them too I’m fine with him.
McCann and Lennon are not popular but we did need to have other candidates in the frame. Alex Neil actually said in his interview that he didn't really want to manage a league 1 club and Roy did a U-Turn. The club were right to have other candidates (currently available) in place.
 
Anyone using the term bed wetter when the club is looking at a fifth season in League One will obviously accept any old shite that's served up. Speakman's objective is promotion, he can't be surprised if he's binned come May if he's failed. Very refreshing that Neil effectively hoyed him under the bus at the very first opportunity.
Totally agree with this, we are not bed wetters because we care, because we also know what is going on and off the pitch at Safc right now is nowhere near good enough.
I also think lots of people have shown guts to stand up to CM’s henchmen on here, we all know who they are, especially i am thinking of a couple of years ago.
 
@Lucky1985 have you replied to this post yet? Or are you intentionally ignoring posts that you have no answer for?
No because i didn’t see it. I’ve had a million notifications tonight so I’ve no doubt missed some peoples responses.

I disagree that in most organisations one bad day would cause for the CEO to lose their job.

And the implication that we sign players solely on data is not true. From day one they have maintained that data allows them to cast the net wide and look at more players, it allows them to narrow down the search and focus on players of interest, but that they then they look at the human criteria such as leadership and personality before making a decision. So I disagree, it’s not “cold hard facts” it’s conjecture at best. that or lies.

Lots of people are jumping on the bet wetter comment, I thought it was pretty obvious that I used that tongue in cheek. My original point is that I don’t feel it’s right to constantly search to scapegoat one singular person. It hasn’t worked well for us over the last decade as we have been in continual decline and I stand by my original postin that regard.

I’m upset that we are losing and the manner in which we are losing. I think everyone is and everyone has every right to be. I don’t think we should constantly looking for a new head on a pike though, it does nobody any good.
 
Well if that's for a 20min sub appearance we're covered.

You've had a mare Lucky, go and grab some sleep man.
Oh, so is there a clause in Defoes contract that says he can only play 20 mins per match? Or are you implying that one of the most professional and hard working players in our recent history won’t be able to ever regain match fitness again?

I mean it seems like you’ve now conceded that they both play the same position, so it must be one of the above two ideas that means you think he can’t play as our striker if Stewart gets injured.
 
Hoffman, cirkin, batth, Doyle, Winchester, Evans, dajaku and Stewart.

They made up 8 of our starting 11, in the worst and most embarrassing defeat in the history of this football club. I’m not saying they are all duds, Stewart is fantastic most of the time and some of the others are good players.

That doesn’t detract from the fact that 8 out of 11 players signed by Speakman and his data model made up our most embarrassing day in almost 150 years since we became a club.

He is the director of football, so oversees a huge part of this football club. No matter which way you dress it up, in any line of work in any line of business in the world, if one of the top bosses of the origination makes fatal errors which prove this costly, the 100% deserve to be questioned and criticised. In the vast majority of businesses a day that dreadful would lead to heads rolling.

Dress it up how you want, but this is league one. The whole data and signing players who are on the cusp, who haven’t quite reached potential, or are injury prone, or who have great potential, means we lack some huge elements in what should be an easy league to get out of for a club like us.

Leadership, experience and heart is severely lacking in a squad that he’s built. If you want to give the man credit for replacing worse players with better ones, how can he not take criticism when things go wrong.

It’s not “bed wetting” these are cold hard facts. For the last 5 years anyone who dares question anything gets given the title of bed wetter. Let’s be honest here, as things stand the concern is not misplaced. The concern has proved correct and we as a club are looking at 5 season No you’re putting words in my mouth. Somebody said he didn’t get a backup for Stewart, I asked what position they thought Defoe was signed to play in.
O’Brien could do all those things you mentioned, I don’t think there was a single person on this board wanted him to stay.

Broadhead didn’t do any you mention, but almost everyone was gutted when he got injured.

We can’t just clue Stewart, and if we did the clone would be pissed off at not starting every week.
I agree about the players being improved in general. Parkinson and Johnson had similar records in the end and it seems Parkinson did so with worse players. Who would have thought.
 
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