Can we put the pitch-forks away now?


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Why does someone have to be to blame? Sometimes shit just happens.
During our time down we’re we have replaced the clubs owners, manager 3 times and with all their back room staff and the academy’s staff, and all playing staff apart from McGeady and Gooch.
So is it McGeady and Gooches fault? the fans fault? the Kitmans fault? the chef at the academy of lights fault perhaps?

This constant search for a perpetrator just doesn’t help anyone
This club was formed in 1879 when Queen Victoria still had around a quarter of a century of her reign to go. In the 143 years that have followed he have never been close to having it this bad. If you are getting drubbed 6-0 and losing 3 in a week in the third tier of English football against the weakest sides in that division then something is very wrong. It certainly isn't the fault of McGeady, Gooch and the kitman but if you aren't looking at the reasons or people responsible then I cant get my head around that. No 'shit doesn't just happen' there are people and reasons why your club is an absolute shambles and if you want to just shrug your shoulders that's your call but don't have a go at others who see things differently.
 
Which players we have now do you think are worse than players we had in the Stewart Donald era?
I'm not questioning that the players are better. So i'll ask you, if the players are better (which I agree they are) why are we looking at finishing lower than last season? Alex Neil was 100% spot on in his interview on Saturday when he called out Speakmans transfers. Individually we have better players, as a squad to get out of this league, maybe not.
 
Yes, I’d much prefer they spent their time mopping our tears and saying “there there” than waste it trying to recruit a replacement manager to drag us out of this shit storm.
Yeah the process to recruit the right manager went swimmingly like, great that they spent all their time and energy on that.
 
This place has been a pure lynch-mob for weeks now, it’s horrible to read and enough is enough already.

The way everyone has turned on Speakman and KLD so quickly is crazy.

Speakman is human, humans make mistakes. Much in the same way Jermaine Defoe won’t score with every shot he takes, Speakman won’t get every move he makes right either.

Overall I’d say he’s done a good job here. Under his stewardship we have swapped McFadzeon for Cirkin, Pritchard for Maguire, Stewart for Wyke, we got a replacement for Burge which I didn’t personally think was necessary but each to their own, the new signing Clark looks class and Matete looks decent. In fact almost every player we have signed seems to be an improvement on the player they have replaced. The club seems to have a structure now with a good scouting networks, and on the whole the football has been a lot more enjoyable to watch than under Jurassic Parkinson and Jack Ross.

Alright he’s fucked up letting too many defenders go at once, and something has definitely happened behind the scenes with Lee Johnson being sacked. But be honest now, were any of you that are calling for Speakman head now, not calling for Johnson’s head before he was sacked?

I kind of understood it when peoples knives were out for Stewart, but wanting KLD and Speakman out baffles me.

I just think we need to move away from the toxic atmosphere and try to support our team. Mistakes have happened, that’s life, dust yourself off and go again.

Anyway, come at me bed-wetters :lol:
I like your post as it is balanced. The key to me marra is if lessons get learned from those mistakes. Then, the club moves forward.

Yes, the place has been toxic during the last couple of weeks. I would argue rightly so. The whole process has derailed the season and the objective does not look likely. You either want passionate fans and all that goes with that, or you want 12000 to 18000 turning up.

The key to it is communication at the right time. Communication from the club. Acknowledge where the mistakes are, and communicate the plan to solve them. Then you win hearts and minds.

Everybody makes mistakes. That's ok; we are human. The mark of the person is one that holds hands up and accepts mistakes, and then provides a plan demonstrating how they will not be repeated.
 
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Yes, I’d much prefer they spent their time mopping our tears and saying “there there” than waste it trying to recruit a replacement manager to drag us out of this shit storm.

maybe there lies the problem, you are putting an awful lot onto one person’s plate then complaining when they don’t finish it.
A club the size of Sunderland should have different jobs for communication and recruitment.
 
So speakman gets all the credit for bringing the right players in but none of the criticism for the sum of the parts of those players being less than had previously been the case?
From you not naming a single player I’ll take it that that means you agree with me that all the replacements have been better than what we had originally.

There are other factors that affect results such as injuries, and we have had a lot of those this year.

Maybe we should campaign for the head physio to get the sack?

Who is the head physio? I feel like I should at least know the name of the person I want to be thrown out.
 
Why does someone have to be to blame? Sometimes shit just happens.
During our time down we’re we have replaced the clubs owners, manager 3 times and with all their back room staff and the academy’s staff, and all playing staff apart from McGeady and Gooch.
So is it McGeady and Gooches fault? the fans fault? the Kitmans fault? the chef at the academy of lights fault perhaps?

This constant search for a perpetrator just doesn’t help anyone
The errors from before that you have pointed have been repeated by the present incumbents!

I don’t think that people were totally pissed off that Johnson managed too many drubbings, it was the following 2 or 3 weeks that tipped people over.
 
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This place has been a pure lynch-mob for weeks now, it’s horrible to read and enough is enough already.

The way everyone has turned on Speakman and KLD so quickly is crazy.

Speakman is human, humans make mistakes. Much in the same way Jermaine Defoe won’t score with every shot he takes, Speakman won’t get every move he makes right either.

Overall I’d say he’s done a good job here. Under his stewardship we have swapped McFadzeon for Cirkin, Pritchard for Maguire, Stewart for Wyke, we got a replacement for Burge which I didn’t personally think was necessary but each to their own, the new signing Clark looks class and Matete looks decent. In fact almost every player we have signed seems to be an improvement on the player they have replaced. The club seems to have a structure now with a good scouting networks, and on the whole the football has been a lot more enjoyable to watch than under Jurassic Parkinson and Jack Ross.

Alright he’s fucked up letting too many defenders go at once, and something has definitely happened behind the scenes with Lee Johnson being sacked. But be honest now, were any of you that are calling for Speakman head now, not calling for Johnson’s head before he was sacked?

I kind of understood it when peoples knives were out for Stewart, but wanting KLD and Speakman out baffles me.

I just think we need to move away from the toxic atmosphere and try to support our team. Mistakes have happened, that’s life, dust yourself off and go again.

Anyway, come at me bed-wetters :lol:
I don't think many if any want KLD out. I think people want clarity as to where Donald and Methven stand in relation to the decision making at the top of the club. Also is there any money to spend in the summer regardless of which league we are in.
I'm not advocating the pitchfork brigade but there are still unanswered questions as to the ownership and fiscal position the club find themselves in.
As for Speakman Johnson was sacked for seemingly underachieving. If that is purely down to the head coach fair enough however I personally believe player recruitment has not been great therefore the DoF should not be above criticism.
If Stewart gets injured Defoe is not match fit and Broadhead is injured where is the back up.
Burge was the only experienced keeper we had and as opposed to getting an experienced 3rd choice keeper in we rely on calling a young lad back off loan is that a fiscal decision or a footballing decision?
As you pointed out we are woefully short of centre halves due to a decision made by the DoF to sell the centre half who was arguably our best centre half for the 1st 15 to 20 games of the season.
If your happy with how the club finds itself fair enough but you can't stop people asking relevant questions
 
We're in league 1 and our directors have managed to kill all momentum and de stabilise the club in a 2 week period. So unfortunately i dont think fans will stop being irate at them!!!!

Ya cant tell people not to be bothered man. Otherwise you wont have 38'000 home crowds in league 1. If you want a middle of the road league 1 club / team and set of fans then i suggest you go and find it elsewhere cos its unacceptable the stupid decisions our board keep making
 
From you not naming a single player I’ll take it that that means you agree with me that all the replacements have been better than what we had originally.

There are other factors that affect results such as injuries, and we have had a lot of those this year.

Maybe we should campaign for the head physio to get the sack?

Who is the head physio? I feel like I should at least know the name of the person I want to be thrown out.
I won’t argue against your view that there are other factors at play, absolutely.
 
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Depends, if this grass weave doesn’t take we might need em.
 
This club was formed in 1879 when Queen Victoria still had around a quarter of a century of her reign to go. In the 143 years that have followed he have never been close to having it this bad. If you are getting drubbed 6-0 and losing 3 in a week in the third tier of English football against the weakest sides in that division then something is very wrong. It certainly isn't the fault of McGeady, Gooch and the kitman but if you aren't looking at the reasons or people responsible then I cant get my head around that. No 'shit doesn't just happen' there are people and reasons why your club is an absolute shambles and if you want to just shrug your shoulders that's your call but don't have a go at others who see things differently.
It rained on my mated wedding day, should I ask for a weather man to be sacked?

Looking for reason is fine, but when you look and there is no obvious cause, to blame one person anyway and try to find a reason to blame them is not.

For the most part peoples response has been “I’m pissed off, he’s the captain of this ship so it must be his fault” never mind the fact that the ship has a number of holes in its hull, no sail, or rudder, it’s the captains bloody fault SACK HIM!!!1!1!
 
This place has been a pure lynch-mob for weeks now, it’s horrible to read and enough is enough already.

The way everyone has turned on Speakman and KLD so quickly is crazy.

Speakman is human, humans make mistakes. Much in the same way Jermaine Defoe won’t score with every shot he takes, Speakman won’t get every move he makes right either.

Overall I’d say he’s done a good job here. Under his stewardship we have swapped McFadzeon for Cirkin, Pritchard for Maguire, Stewart for Wyke, we got a replacement for Burge which I didn’t personally think was necessary but each to their own, the new signing Clark looks class and Matete looks decent. In fact almost every player we have signed seems to be an improvement on the player they have replaced. The club seems to have a structure now with a good scouting networks, and on the whole the football has been a lot more enjoyable to watch than under Jurassic Parkinson and Jack Ross.

Alright he’s fucked up letting too many defenders go at once, and something has definitely happened behind the scenes with Lee Johnson being sacked. But be honest now, were any of you that are calling for Speakman head now, not calling for Johnson’s head before he was sacked?

I kind of understood it when peoples knives were out for Stewart, but wanting KLD and Speakman out baffles me.

I just think we need to move away from the toxic atmosphere and try to support our team. Mistakes have happened, that’s life, dust yourself off and go again.

Anyway, come at me bed-wetters :lol:
I think what most people want is a bit of transparency and honesty about ownership. The continued presence of Methven is never going to gelp We could do with some explanation of the squad's lack of balance - how many wingers can we play? The return of Defoe is an interesting one. I hope he does well but I am not sure that a 39 year old striker who has hardly played really makes the squad so much stronger. Matete looks a decent signing The dismissal of Johnson was not as they described unless they really had no succession plan. The 'owner' getting carried away with Keane social media a mistake. The lack of communication from the club, in particular the shameful announcement of Neil and the lack of moral support in public for Dodds and Proctor. There are questions about the injury levels at the club. Neil's immediate assessment of worn out players is telling. "The Project" only works if there is an effective short term plan, it is essential that we get out of this division. Sure, some people have gone over the top but there are serious questions for Speakman and Dreyfus. If Keane had become manager they would have been everywhere but now they are invisible.
 
This place has been a pure lynch-mob for weeks now, it’s horrible to read and enough is enough already.

The way everyone has turned on Speakman and KLD so quickly is crazy.

Speakman is human, humans make mistakes. Much in the same way Jermaine Defoe won’t score with every shot he takes, Speakman won’t get every move he makes right either.

Overall I’d say he’s done a good job here. Under his stewardship we have swapped McFadzeon for Cirkin, Pritchard for Maguire, Stewart for Wyke, we got a replacement for Burge which I didn’t personally think was necessary but each to their own, the new signing Clark looks class and Matete looks decent. In fact almost every player we have signed seems to be an improvement on the player they have replaced. The club seems to have a structure now with a good scouting networks, and on the whole the football has been a lot more enjoyable to watch than under Jurassic Parkinson and Jack Ross.

Alright he’s fucked up letting too many defenders go at once, and something has definitely happened behind the scenes with Lee Johnson being sacked. But be honest now, were any of you that are calling for Speakman head now, not calling for Johnson’s head before he was sacked?

I kind of understood it when peoples knives were out for Stewart, but wanting KLD and Speakman out baffles me.

I just think we need to move away from the toxic atmosphere and try to support our team. Mistakes have happened, that’s life, dust yourself off and go again.

Anyway, come at me bed-wetters :lol:
f***ing hell. Another one clapping the players into the conference.
 
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