Callum Doyle


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I personally think asking a player of his age to play this consistently and maintain that level is a huge ask. In an ideal world he'd be able to go wayward a bit now and then and have more senior pros bail him out, but I do worry the spotlight is on him so much in this side and he's not being given that support from fellow CBs.

Takes a truly special player - talking like Mbappe - to slot seamlessly into senior football and that's before you consider the transition from the sanitized style of U23s to League One.
 
He hasn't been lately. First half performance there was good though

Hes looked good playing on left of back 3 today

He was all over the place for their goal and for ten mins prior to that he kept doing the same thing (as he did for their goal). Otherwise he was better today but wouldn't particularly say he was good. Shape supported him better.

He's only a kid of course. If it wasn't for injuries and the need to change shape I'd give him a bit time out over xmas.
young lads always blow hot and cold, consistency doesn’t just happen

Which isn't too bad if you're developing your own player as there's a benefit to playing him to develop.

Developing someome elses to your own detriment is a different matter.
 
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He was all over the place for their goal and for ten mins prior to that he kept doing the same thing (as he did for their goal). Otherwise he was better today but wouldn't particularly say he was good. Shape supported him better.

He's only a kid of course. If it wasn't for injuries and the need to change shape I'd give him a bit time out over xmas.


Which isn't too bad if you're developing your own player as there's a benefit to playing him to develop.

Developing someome elses to your own detriment is a different matter.
Shades of Danny Rose in that regard IMO - if they excel there's a great short-term benefit, but the long-term means you're back on the market looking for their replacement

These deals need to really be feeding into a bigger partnership that gives the club a chance to sign other youngsters that won't be City's level or with a view to signing them long-term ala Hoffman.
 
Shades of Danny Rose in that regard IMO - if they excel there's a great short-term benefit, but the long-term means you're back on the market looking for their replacement

These deals need to really be feeding into a bigger partnership that gives the club a chance to sign other youngsters that won't be City's level or with a view to signing them long-term ala Hoffman.

Tbf Rose came in and was excellent. He was obviously at higher standard and further into his career but he justified his place week in week out pretty much.

Doyle hasn't. He's shown some good flashes and it's nice to have a cb so comfortable playing the ball about (even if sometimes it causes us problems) but he's not a particularly good defender (at this stage of his career anyway). There has to come a point where we need to decide if his development, or playing him into form, is more important than the clubs targets. 3 at the back looks like it will give him the extra cover he needs but it's a system to suit the injury list rather than one to remedy issues we've had performancewise.

At 17 he's playing too many games regardless of form as well imo
 
Tbf Rose came in and was excellent. He was obviously at higher standard and further into his career but he justified his place week in week out pretty much.

Doyle hasn't. He's shown some good flashes and it's nice to have a cb so comfortable playing the ball about (even if sometimes it causes us problems) but he's not a particularly good defender (at this stage of his career anyway). There has to come a point where we need to decide if his development, or playing him into form, is more important than the clubs targets. 3 at the back looks like it will give him the extra cover he needs but it's a system to suit the injury list rather than one to remedy issues we've had performancewise.

At 17 he's playing too many games regardless of form as well imo
Oh yeah, totally agree Rose was exceptional, but I seem to remember MON fielding similar questions about 'is there an option to buy, why not?'

My point was more these deals, where the benefit is really more to the parent club aren't what's needed. If that's what is being targeted I feel like it has to be a Danny Rose type almost, someone that is in the conversation for top 5 in the division.
 
I personally think asking a player of his age to play this consistently and maintain that level is a huge ask. In an ideal world he'd be able to go wayward a bit now and then and have more senior pros bail him out, but I do worry the spotlight is on him so much in this side and he's not being given that support from fellow CBs.

Takes a truly special player - talking like Mbappe - to slot seamlessly into senior football and that's before you consider the transition from the sanitized style of U23s to League One.

A truly superb post.

Doyle's a phenomenal talent and we should enjoy him while we can, but you're right in saying that it's a huge ask of him (he's not the only one) and it has shown. Again, you'd have to question the wisdom in signing a 17-year-old for what we need this season.
 
He is nee Sanderson like
This had me curious. Sanderson was still firmly in the U18s at the same age. He wasn't getting regular run outs for their U23s until he turned 20, whereas Doyle saw time last season (you'd argue at a higher standard) as a 17-year-old. Gives some context to expectation.

The benefit of the two year loan is he may be a much more adjusted player next season - regardless of division - but it's about whether the team can accomodate someone so young this year.
 
He had a good game yesterday in very trying circumstances. What happens in front of him leaves him very exposed at times and on the whole I think he's dealt with it very well apart from the odd exception. Like the lad alot and the chance to give him a rest may come in the new year when we get a few players back and others who are more experienced take more of their share of the load.
 
We are committed to playing him if he is fit, no matter what his form is.
Is this really the case on these deals ? If I was the club loaning a player I’d rather trust that he will be managed especially at his age so dropping him if he needs it etc just playing someone constantly regardless can do more harm. He’s clearly a top talent and having stronger established players around him would have helped recently.
 
I think he's decent tbh. I like that he's comfortable on the ball, even if he sometimes misplaces passes, he generally tries the right thing.

Defensively, he's not all there yet but think he generally did okay alongside Flanagan. Is Wright better than him at the moment? Maybe in better form.
 
He was all over the place for their goal and for ten mins prior to that he kept doing the same thing (as he did for their goal). Otherwise he was better today but wouldn't particularly say he was good. Shape supported him better.

He's only a kid of course. If it wasn't for injuries and the need to change shape I'd give him a bit time out over xmas.


Which isn't too bad if you're developing your own player as there's a benefit to playing him to develop.

Developing someome elses to your own detriment is a different matter.

I do often think that 🤔
 
I think he's decent tbh. I like that he's comfortable on the ball, even if he sometimes misplaces passes, he generally tries the right thing.

Defensively, he's not all there yet but think he generally did okay alongside Flanagan. Is Wright better than him at the moment? Maybe in better form.
Maybe think about playing the lad in c/m he can handle the ball and see a pass, that’s for certain.
 
Early season, alongside Flanagan he was very good, passed the ball well generally but that seemed to drop off a few games ago (seemed to bring the best out of Flanagan as well). He can carry the ball out as well, one particularly good run n the second half v Ipswich. Not sure about the "hes only 17 needs resting for a few games" argument. He'll be fine.
 
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