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How much will we have spent on these loan deals?

I'm not totally against a couple of loan signings but I don't want to see us having 5 in the squad next season, its to many.

It's a balancing act that I think he got right. The numbers that we got on loan, five, compared to what we may have got permanently otherwise, say two or three, have carried us through the injury crisis.
 
Our squads have been very different for each Premier Leagie season, that can't continue. We now need 3 strikers in one transfer window, madness.

It was understandable for the first couple of years under keane but we should be past that now.

We're not going to be able to afford to sign the 2-3 quality players because we're having to spend all our money on filling the squad out.

Agents must love us, the amount of business we give them.
 
I agree about the squad issue but what is the alternative? Don't sign new players?
 
Can't understand the problem people have with this loan stuff.

Nobody complained about Jonny Evans. Nobody complained about Welbeck when he was fit.

Everyone on here was over the moon when we got Muntari on loan in January - thank fuck we didn't sign him on £100k/week at the time eh?

Excellent post and saved me time from writing exactly the same.

Furthermore, there's also an argument that given the north-east is not the most attractive location for a footballer (I know it shouldn't matter but we KNOW it is a factor), a loanee does get a chance to get to grips with the particular vagaries of playing in front of vociferous NE crowds and living in the far north of England. So, Sunderland may well have to take more loan players on than most.

We'd all like permanent transfers and for all of them to be complete successes. But it just doesn't happen that way, not for any club on this planet.
 
I agree about the squad issue but what is the alternative? Don't sign new players?

Signing better ones? don't let the wrong ones go?

Selling Jones when Bent wanted away has proved to be a mistake, for example. Selling Collins and replacing him with Da Silva & Killgallon also.

Collins and Jones might not have been world beaters but had we kept them we'd have been better off from a playing point of view and wouldn't have wasted money on all kinds of fees.
 
Excellent post and saved me time from writing exactly the same.

Furthermore, there's also an argument that given the north-east is not the most attractive location for a footballer (I know it shouldn't matter but we KNOW it is a factor), a loanee does get a chance to get to grips with the particular vagaries of playing in front of vociferous NE crowds and living in the far north of England. So, Sunderland may well have to take more loan players on than most.

We'd all like permanent transfers and for all of them to be complete successes. But it just doesn't happen that way, not for any club on this planet.

We can't continue rebuilding the squad every summer, its just madness.
 
But then that goes back to the point that if we didn't have five players on loan, we'd be light on numbers this season which would have made the injury crisis worse. Maybe Bruce won't sign as many loan players this season but then that could be also to the detriment of the number and quality of the permanent signings. It's not as easy as it sounds to balance the books and the players you want/need. Bruce gets paid to make these decisions, I think this summer is extremely important...I guess like every summer :-D
 
But then that goes back to the point that if we didn't have five players on loan, we'd be light on numbers this season which would have made the injury crisis worse. Maybe Bruce won't sign as many loan players this season but then that could be also to the detriment of the number and quality of the permanent signings. It's not as easy as it sounds to balance the books and the players you want/need. Bruce gets paid to make these decisions, I think this summer is extremely important...I guess like every summer :-D

He does that and the buck stops with him.
 
But then that goes back to the point that if we didn't have five players on loan, we'd be light on numbers this season which would have made the injury crisis worse. Maybe Bruce won't sign as many loan players this season but then that could be also to the detriment of the number and quality of the permanent signings. It's not as easy as it sounds to balance the books and the players you want/need. Bruce gets paid to make these decisions, I think this summer is extremely important...I guess like every summer :-D

Multari was signed because Bruce fucked up with Riveros, Onuoha because Bruce signed a dud in Angeleri.

Get it right the first time and we won't need to sign as many loan players.
 
Signing better ones? don't let the wrong ones go?

Selling Jones when Bent wanted away has proved to be a mistake, for example. Selling Collins and replacing him with Da Silva & Killgallon also.

Collins and Jones might not have been world beaters but had we kept them we'd have been better off from a playing point of view and wouldn't have wasted money on all kinds of fees.

Jones? Mr Infuriatingly Inconsistent? We sold Jones to get Gyan. If you'd prefer Jones to Gyan fair enough

Danny 'even Stoke fans dislike' Collins?

Nobody has a 100% transfer record, many former Sunderland managers signed complete showers of shite.

Multari was signed because Bruce fucked up with Riveros, Onuoha because Bruce signed a dud in Angeleri.

Get it right the first time and we won't need to sign as many loan players.

You forget that Riveros and Angeleri weren't expected to play much in the first season as per Steve Bruce's Patented South American Initiative. They were both nominal fees compared to those with which you compare. It's more of a realisation that it can't be done on the long term cheap.
 
Jones? Mr Infuriatingly Inconsistent? We sold Jones to get Gyan. If you'd prefer Jones to Gyan fair enough

Danny 'even Stoke fans dislike' Collins?

Nobody has a 100% transfer record, many former Sunderland managers signed complete showers of shite.

You forget that Riveros and Angeleri weren't expected to play much in the first season as per Steve Bruce's Patented South American Initiative. They were both nominal fees compared to those with which you compare. It's more of a realisation that it can't be done on the long term cheap.

You've completely missed my point on Jones. At that point Bent wanted away, the indications were there he'd be after a move again before too long. We'd have been better off now had we sold Bent, kept Jones and bought Gyan.

I didn't forget that at all, they've cost us about £5m + wages and that looks like money down the drain. Now we need to try and move them on again & replace them. More upheaval.

I couldn't give a shit what Stoke fans think of Collins, I'm well aware of his limitations but he's still a better player than the 2 we've brought in (so far) ro replace him.

I know no manager ever makes a mistake but the amount of shite signings we've made over the last few years is the reason we're still chasing our tails (or trying to cover them with loans).

Jones? Mr Infuriatingly Inconsistent? We sold Jones to get Gyan. If you'd prefer Jones to Gyan fair enough

Danny 'even Stoke fans dislike' Collins?

Nobody has a 100% transfer record, many former Sunderland managers signed complete showers of shite.

You forget that Riveros and Angeleri weren't expected to play much in the first season as per Steve Bruce's Patented South American Initiative. They were both nominal fees compared to those with which you compare. It's more of a realisation that it can't be done on the long term cheap.

You've completely missed my point on Jones. At that point Bent wanted away, the indications were there he'd be after a move again before too long. We'd have been better off now had we sold Bent, kept Jones and bought Gyan.

I didn't forget that at all, they've cost us about £5m + wages and that looks like money down the drain. Now we need to try and move them on again & replace them. More upheaval.

I couldn't give a shit what Stoke fans think of Collins, I'm well aware of his limitations but he's still a better player than the 2 we've brought in (so far) ro replace him.

I know no manager ever makes a mistake but the amount of shite signings we've made over the last few years is the reason we're still chasing our tails (or trying to cover them with loans).
 
You've completely missed my point on Jones. At that point Bent wanted away, the indications were there he'd be after a move again before too long. We'd have been better off now had we sold Bent, kept Jones and bought Gyan.

I didn't forget that at all, they've cost us about £5m + wages and that looks like money down the drain. Now we need to try and move them on again & replace them. More upheaval.

I couldn't give a shit what Stoke fans think of Collins, I'm well aware of his limitations but he's still a better player than the 2 we've brought in (so far) ro replace him.

I know no manager ever makes a mistake but the amount of shite signings we've made over the last few years is the reason we're still chasing our tails (or trying to cover them with loans).

Jones was finished and had to go. Bent wasn't a certainty to leave, he could have changed his mind due to any set of circumstances and Bruce definitely didn't have funds from a potential Bent sale to invest in the squad.

What you are suggesting is that you kept Jones to miss out on Gyan to help when Bent left which would have the net impact of Jones as our only fit striker. Somebody whose goalscoring record and effort was in question in the first place.

Da Silva and Riveros looked good in a World Cup squad. There were people salivating at the prospect of those two bringing their form to Sunderland. Angeleri was around the Argentinian squad. These aren't average players, they had a chance on a minimalised outlay. As already mentioned if they turned into Palacios/Valencia type signings your laughing. It didn't work out, we move on.

Collins wasn't good enough, you can't stick with the mentaility that average players stay in the squad because there is nobody else otherwise we wouldn't progress.
 
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Are you blind? I've just answered you.

We have used loans to cover up for mistakes we've made in the transfer market. We need to do better in the market then we won't need as many loans.

In terms of cash wasted Bruce has made very few errors.

Angeleri, Riveros and Da Silva - £2m in total, or 1 Darryl Murphy.

To sign players equal to Onouha, Welbeck, Mensah, and Muntari it would have cost approx £15-£20m - money that Bruce quite obviously does not have to spend.

If Bruce is expected to fund all purchases by selling players, as he has been so far, then we will never be able to build a 25 man squad.

You've completely missed my point on Jones. At that point Bent wanted away, the indications were there he'd be after a move again before too long. We'd have been better off now had we sold Bent, kept Jones and bought Gyan.

If we had kept Jones and sold Bent in the summer Bruce would have been completely lynched.

And Jones, Gyan and Bent together was never a possibility as we didnt have the Gyan funds without offloading Jones.

We could not have forseen a 24 month layoff for Campbell either.
 
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