Bruce IN or OUT poll


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This almost exactly describes my attitude too. Bruce's job is hanging by a thread, not because of the past, but because he's got to get those next results with basically a new team and now no Gyan. Hell of a challenge.

Yu' not wrong like.

Amazed the poll is so close tbh.

I'm not sure he'll survive a defeat from the next 3 games...

  • H v Stoke
  • A v Norwich
  • H v W.B.A.
...particularly a home defeat.

If he goes though....
  1. Who could possibly come in?
  2. How will they lift the players instantly before the January window?

IMO, the Stoke match is just like the Bolton home game last season when we'd not won for 14. We need to get off to a flier to ease nerves on and off the pitch.
 
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Yu' not wrong like.

Amazed the poll is so close tbh.

I'm not sure he'll survive a defeat from the next 3 games...

  • H v Stoke
  • A v Norwich
  • H v W.B.A.
...particularly a home defeat.

If he goes though....
  1. Who could possibly come in?
  2. How will they lift the players instantly before the January window?

IMO, the Stoke match is just like the Bolton home game last season when we'd not won for 14. We need to get off to a flier to ease nerves on and off the pitch.

Maybe not on here, but I'm quite convinced this season is a clean slate as far as is overlords are concerned. We'll have to be in deep shit in a couple of months, looking like his new team is rubbish and/or he can't organise it, for him to get the chop.
 
Maybe not on here, but I'm quite convinced this season is a clean slate as far as is overlords are concerned. We'll have to be in deep shit in a couple of months, looking like his new team is rubbish and/or he can't organise it, for him to get the chop.

Maybe so but the pressure after the next home defeat will be huge.




(Just seen your sig. Does he accept he's a 9/11 mentalist as well as a hated Tory? :))
 
Still in the 'Bruce in camp' as successful clubs dont chop and change their managers - although I accept that the debate is is Bruce a good manager and worth persevering with? However, he need results very quickly!

We need players playing in their correct positions, showing some commitment (and no not Bardsley stamping on people) and some attacking play with possibly two strikers for a start.
 
Still in the 'Bruce in camp' as successful clubs dont chop and change their managers - although I accept that the debate is is Bruce a good manager and worth persevering with? However, he need results very quickly!

We need players playing in their correct positions, showing some commitment (and no not Bardsley stamping on people) and some attacking play with possibly two strikers for a start.

Always thought that is a bit of a myth tbh, for a start Real Madrid are pretty f***ing successful and they change managers all the time. On the flip side Man United dont change managers and they are successful as well, although mainly because the one bloke they've had for years is one of the best managers of all time, maybe when he goes they will chop and change more and still be successful. Arsenal have had success but now have kept Wenger on and gone 6 years without winning anything whereas maybe a new manager would have brought them some success.

I dont honestly think that either approach is more likely to lead to success. It cant be denied that some managers deserve time, but others will be shit no matter how long you give them. The important thing is deciding which managers deserve time and which are dragging their club further down with every week. One thing you need if you're going to give time to a manager is the feeling that there is some positive aspect of their management which makes them worth sticking with even if results arent going well. Bruce has the improving league positions (although the margins involved in last seasons positions prevent him from getting the kind of praise he would deserve if he actually established us as a clear top half side), and he has the ability to improve the squad for low outlay. Time will tell if these are enough to survive what will, if we dont pick up soon, be an incredibly bad second half of last season coupled with a bad start to this one, he'll just have to hope they are.
 
.....I dont honestly think that either approach is more likely to lead to success. It cant be denied that some managers deserve time, but others will be shit no matter how long you give them. The important thing is deciding which managers deserve time and which are dragging their club further down with every week. .....

Good post but....

Real Madrid can be explained by the government buying the Club out of trouble. In short, they can hardly fail.

Man. Utd. had won virtually bugga all for 20+ years so needed to stick by their man - it worked.

Arsenal had become the 1st English team to win the League undefeated and, imo, Wenger thought to himself, "What next?" (play the best football whilst winning the League) instead of the Fergie way, "Let's win it again".

We have been a yo-yo Club for years, spending more time outside of the top flight since the war than in it. IMO, we need to stick by our man. Two years and a handful of games is not enough time to change the mindset (Roy Keane mentioned this deep-rooted tension) of a failed Club for over 50 years.

Of course we are now at that "Mark Robins" stage wherby if we don't pick up soon, he'll have to go. Also, we may never know if ManU had sacked Fergie that everything was just about to take off anyway (seriously doubt it) or if Arsenal had sacked Wenger whether they would be any better now.
 
Always thought that is a bit of a myth tbh, for a start Real Madrid are pretty f***ing successful and they change managers all the time. On the flip side Man United dont change managers and they are successful as well, although mainly because the one bloke they've had for years is one of the best managers of all time, maybe when he goes they will chop and change more and still be successful. Arsenal have had success but now have kept Wenger on and gone 6 years without winning anything whereas maybe a new manager would have brought them some success.

I dont honestly think that either approach is more likely to lead to success. It cant be denied that some managers deserve time, but others will be shit no matter how long you give them. The important thing is deciding which managers deserve time and which are dragging their club further down with every week. One thing you need if you're going to give time to a manager is the feeling that there is some positive aspect of their management which makes them worth sticking with even if results arent going well. Bruce has the improving league positions (although the margins involved in last seasons positions prevent him from getting the kind of praise he would deserve if he actually established us as a clear top half side), and he has the ability to improve the squad for low outlay. Time will tell if these are enough to survive what will, if we dont pick up soon, be an incredibly bad second half of last season coupled with a bad start to this one, he'll just have to hope they are.

If your manager brings a revolving door transfer policy, surely he isn't bringing stability anyway?
 
IN for me. There are good points on both sides, but I honestly feel that if Quinn backs him then all supporters should get behind him too. In Quinn we should trust - look how far his decisions have taken the club so far. If he thinks keeping Bruce will help the side get even better, then I have no doubt that that is what will happen. Back Quinn, Bruce in.
 
IN. Last half of last season was ravished with injuries. So the poor results were understandable.

Therefor I feel its unfair to use last seasons stats to hammer Bruce using them as current form. There is a brand new team and although I accept not all (left back left winger) but a lot of last seasons issues have been adressed. Eg players who can handle Playing under pressure (oshea brown), Goals from midfield (Gardner) and delivery from set pieces (larsson)
The other areas were attempted but we were unable to get them over the line. At least we are trying.
The players we've brought in will take time to gel. I really cant see what some peoples problem is. Get there on sunday and get behind the lads.
 
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