Bruce hard done by


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Say what you like about mag WUMs but the OP here is the biggest WUM on the board. :lol:

Each post is absolute pigshit.

So if you give the manager the slightest bit backing you're a wum or a tool. For fuck sake man get a grip, nee wonder the players play so tentative with f***ing headaches like you behind them!

At the end of the day bruce isn't going anywhere and we all know it, so just f***ing get behind him instead, you achieve nowt by getting on peoples backs!
 
As for the striker problem yes we didn't get one last Jan Bruce gambled on Gyan welbeck and Campbell being enough, injuries spoilt that of course. He the brought in nick b and wickham to play with Gyan and sess, but once again injury and a decision at board level has left us short. That's not Bruces fault. End of the transfer window we had decent forwards in!

Campbell wasn't even fit at that point and had not even recovered from a long term injury - how would that amount of cover ever be enough? The only gamble he done/Campbell was allowed to do was gamble with his career (as with Meyler) by allowing him (or pushing him) to push on too quickly.

And Sess isn't, nor ever has been a striker, just because of a few games at the back end of last season. He could occupy an advanced role, but he needs support around him. It's due to Bruce and the set up of his side that it hasn't come off and now Bruce isn't really sure where to play him.

As for Ji and Wickham - one minute they wont be ready for ages, the next minute he's playing them as he's desperate.
 
So if you give the manager the slightest bit backing you're a wum or a tool. For fuck sake man get a grip, nee wonder the players play so tentative with f***ing headaches like you behind them!

At the end of the day bruce isn't going anywhere and we all know it, so just f***ing get behind him instead, you achieve nowt by getting on peoples backs!

If I thought you believed your own shite I'd reply sensibly, but you're on the wind-up...

If you're genuinely not on the wind-up then you're the most naive, deluded people I've ever come across.

edit: I'm not behind you cunts either. :lol:
 
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midds said:
If I thought you believed your own shite I'd reply sensibly, but you're on the wind-up...

If you're genuinely not on the wind-up then you're the most naive, deluded people I've ever come across.

So you honestly think Bruce will be gone by Christmas, if so then there is only one naive person on here!
 
So you honestly think Bruce will be gone by Christmas, if so then there is only one naive person on here!

When did I say that? :lol:

You're a f***ing fantasist mate. You're making things up and passing them off as fact.

I'm leaving you to it, someone else can have a go. Jaysus.
 
midds said:
When did I say that? :lol:

You're a f***ing fantasist mate. You're making things up and passing them off as fact.

I'm leaving you to it, someone else can have a go. Jaysus.

When you called me naive for saying Bruce won't go so we might as well get behind him? Honestly some people are f***ing morons!
 
Ok then in the last few seasons in the Prem which of our squads have been better?

The one with McShane and Halford at the back?

How about Whitehead, Lawrence and Edwards in Midfield?

Even last season when we were doing so well, the majority of that squad were on loan and not our players.

Instead of Bendtner and Wickham did you prefer Murphy and Chopra?

FFS man we've made massive progress!

Firstly, you didn't say in the last few seasons, you said it was the strongest we've ever had. Even in my lifetime I would say Reid's teams were stronger.

But even going off the last few years, Murphy and Chopra never played up front together, or at least very rarely, Lawrence and Edwards never played in the same team, Halford played 9 games for us and McShane was bombed out after half a season.

We were stronger in both Bruce's first and second seasons here - Bent, Jones and Campbell and Bent, Gyan and Welbeck were considerably stronger than what we've got now, we at least had natural widemen in Malbranque, Henderson, Reid and Zenden, and had depth at the back in Ferdinand, Mensah, Onuoha and Da Silva. We have a paperthin unbalanced squad, but hey, thats progress!

Contrary to Bruce's claims, I don't expect us to jump from relegation strugglers to Europe in 3 years. From 8th downwards in the league is full of absolute dross so I don't buy into the "we must finish top X" either.

I do look at Stoke though, who have a clear gameplan (and yes, it isn't pretty), play to their strengths, have depth in each position and bring in a higher calibre of player every year. They've overstretched themselves at the minute by playing in Europe, but that's a consequence of their success. Man for man I don't think they're better than us, but the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

I then look at us. We labour through every game, Bruce seemingly has no idea of his preferred system or line-up, rebuilds the entire team every summer because he made such a cackhanded job of the last one, we don't even have one left midfielder nevermind cover and occasionally play without a single striker. Apparently we're making progress though.
 
So if you give the manager the slightest bit backing you're a wum or a tool. For fuck sake man get a grip, nee wonder the players play so tentative with f***ing headaches like you behind them!

At the end of the day bruce isn't going anywhere and we all know it, so just f***ing get behind him instead, you achieve nowt by getting on peoples backs!

I'd rather not as he'll just block my view of the match
 
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Firstly, you didn't say in the last few seasons, you said it was the strongest we've ever had. Even in my lifetime I would say Reid's teams were stronger.

But even going off the last few years, Murphy and Chopra never played up front together, or at least very rarely, Lawrence and Edwards never played in the same team, Halford played 9 games for us and McShane was bombed out after half a season.

We were stronger in both Bruce's first and second seasons here - Bent, Jones and Campbell and Bent, Gyan and Welbeck were considerably stronger than what we've got now, we at least had natural widemen in Malbranque, Henderson, Reid and Zenden, and had depth at the back in Ferdinand, Mensah, Onuoha and Da Silva. We have a paperthin unbalanced squad, but hey, thats progress!

Contrary to Bruce's claims, I don't expect us to jump from relegation strugglers to Europe in 3 years. From 8th downwards in the league is full of absolute dross so I don't buy into the "we must finish top X" either.

I do look at Stoke though, who have a clear gameplan (and yes, it isn't pretty), play to their strengths, have depth in each position and bring in a higher calibre of player every year. They've overstretched themselves at the minute by playing in Europe, but that's a consequence of their success. Man for man I don't think they're better than us, but the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

I then look at us. We labour through every game, Bruce seemingly has no idea of his preferred system or line-up, rebuilds the entire team every summer because he made such a cackhanded job of the last one, we don't even have one left midfielder nevermind cover and occasionally play without a single striker. Apparently we're making progress though.

Onouha and mensah weren't our players and da silva couldn't hack the premier league so how on earth are they better than brown, o'shea, turner, bramble?

I'm not disagreeing at all about the forwards as bent, Gyan and welbeck were quality, however all of those that Bruce brought in and all of those left cos of money reasons, not Bruces fault, so blame Quinn and short for that!
 
so what do you call less than one point per game then ?

or 5 wins out of the 26 last ?

It's certainly not progress.

Depends what period you're looking at.

I can see you think you're a clever **** who has this nailed down, Marco.

We've come a long way in 5 years, and there's no reason why we should be beating the likes of Fulham at this stage; they have some good players.

Which clubs do you think we should be competing with? Everton? Villa? Both of those had a march on us. We're playing catch up and unless you have a shitload of money to spend then it's a slow process.

Go on then, which clubs should we be competing with?

You do realise that we also need a proper left back, not just someone that can fill in there ?

Something we have been missing for the best part of 2 seasons

Sess isn't a centre forward. Never has been and never will be.

We could do with a better player in every position, so could Man Utd.

So, you build according to your most pressing need, and left back certainly isn't remotely approaching the most pressing.
 
Depends what period you're looking at.

I can see you think you're a clever **** who has this nailed down, Marco.

We've come a long way in 5 years, and there's no reason why we should be beating the likes of Fulham at this stage; they have some good players.

Which clubs do you think we should be competing with? Everton? Villa? Both of those had a march on us. We're playing catch up and unless you have a shitload of money to spend then it's a slow process.

Go on then, which clubs should we be competing with?



We could do with a better player in every position, so could Man Utd.

So, you build according to your most pressing need, and left back certainly isn't remotely approaching the most pressing.


Don't think I have it nailed down at all, but the reality is that we have only gained 21 points from the previous 78 points possible.

We've spent close to 140m in our last 5 seasons in the Premiership so are you saying that isn't a shitload of money ? Our performances and results are mediocre but if you want to carry on believing that everything is ok then so be it.

And who should we be competing with. tell you one club straight away and it's the mags. Spent nowhere near what we have over the last 2 seasons and look where they are in the league. Just look at the league table now and the so called lesser clubs are above us.

Re your point about a left back not been a pressing need, then lets carry on using a right footed defender there instead which gives us no balance whatsoever.

You just have to see the amount of times that he has to check and get the ball onto his right foot to get a cross in.

ps - and if you're happy with a draw against Fulham then so be it. I'm not and imo we should be beating teams like them.
 
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I'm ready to get slated for this, but i honestly think Bruce is been giving a very hard time over alot of things which aren't his fault.

Bent went for daft money in January, something Bruce had no control over as our club isn't big enough to turn down those sort of offers. He then gambled on not diving in and getting someone that wasn't going to fit in the club, he still had Welbeck, Gyan and Campbell just weeks away from match fitness.

We obviously know what happened next and the Bruce gamble didn't pay off, fair enough, i would have done the same thing.

The last few weeks of the season when Sess went up front, we seen a different player and a one that was starting to score, then against West Ham with him and Gyan they clicked and looked very good together.

Bruce then obviously thought we had a very good pair in Sess and Gyan, so didn't need to spend big over the summer on a forward. He however bought one of the hottest prospects in English football in Wickham, a player we would have only dreamed of signing.

When he saw Sess and Gyan wasn't working at the start of the season, he brought in Bendtner to help us along. I don't think anyone can argue that Gyan, Bendtner, Sess and Wickham wasn't a decent strike force and we couldn't be happy with it.

Then once again out of Bruce's hands Gyan left, which left us in the mire. Bruce threw in Wickham and that started to look like we finally had a decent strikeforce and Sess fit in perfectly on the left, our results picked up. Wickham then got injured, not Bruce's fault and we're left with just one up front again.

Basically the whole point of my article is that we've just been extremely unlucky with personnel and injuries. We've got the making of a good team, looking solid at the back, Sess can clearly do a job on the left, we just need Wickham back or even Campbell and we'll be absolutely fine.

If Wickham had played on Sat and Seb we'd have beat Fulham easily and it would have been a totally different picture this week!

Just give Bruce time to build his team, we will come good!

Bent went for less than the going rate for an England forward who guarantees you goals in the Premier league. Carrol went for daft money.

Bendtner was brought in as a panic replacement for Gyan who Bruce knew was off.

Is the OP a SAFC plant or on Bruceys friends and family list?
 
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Don't think I have it nailed down at all, but the reality is that we have only gained 21 points from the previous 78 points possible.

We've spent close to 140m in our last 5 seasons in the Premiership so are you saying that isn't a shitload of money ? Our performances and results are mediocre but if you want to carry on believing that everything is ok then so be it.

And who should we be competing with. tell you one club straight away and it's the mags. Spent nowhere near what we have over the last 2 seasons and look where they are in the league. Just look at the league table now and the so called lesser clubs are above us.

Re your point about a left back not been a pressing need, then lets carry on using a right footed defender there instead which gives us no balance whatsoever.

You just have to see the amount of times that he has to check and get the ball onto his right foot to get a cross in.

ps - and if you're happy with a draw against Fulham then so be it. I'm not and imo we should be beating teams like them.

Fulham at home and teams like them we should very much be beating at home, they will feel the same about us going to their place.
 
Bent went for less than the going rate for an England forward who guarantees you goals in the Premier league. Carrol went for daft money.

Bendtner was brought in as a panic replacement for Gyan who Bruce knew was off.

Is the OP a SAFC plant or on Bruceys friends and family list?

Bent went for more money than we're likely to spend on any replacement.

We were all surprised, at the time, and it was only the Carroll fee that made it look anything but 'daft money' ............ if Bruce knew Gyan was off he had little choice but to bring someone in.

I'd imagine we were trying to replace Gyan with a permanent signing but had to bring Bendtner in when that proved not to be possible. It's also possible that Bendtner will sign on a permanent deal.

The op is speculating as am I and you to some extent.
 
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Bent went for less than the going rate for an England forward who guarantees you goals in the Premier league. Carrol went for daft money.

Bendtner was brought in as a panic replacement for Gyan who Bruce knew was off.

Is the OP a SAFC plant or on Bruceys friends and family list?

How can you say bringing in a Champions League player, who Bruce has worked with before and panic signing? A panic signing would have been getting Fuller in or Boothroyd last January when Bent first went.

Bendtner is one of the best forwards i've seen at the club, so if that's a panic signing, then well done Bruce for shitting himself and getting the first champions league player available!

Bent did go for daft money, in the sense it was money we simply couldn't possibly afford to turn down, we're not a big enough club to reject bids in teh excess of £20m!

As for the post about spending 140m in 5 seasons, how much of that has been recouped? It's alright spending that sort of money on players tha tyou can keep hold of, but when the board keep selling them on or the player can't settle, then there is no wonder Bruce is having to keep spending.

If peopel are complaining about the players we let leave, then why not look at a higher level and maybe question the board?
 
Bent went for more money than we're likely to spend on any replacement.

We were all surprised, at the time, and it was only the Carroll fee that made it look anything but 'daft money' ............ if Bruce knew Gyan was off he had little choice but to bring someone in.

I'd imagine we were trying to replace Gyan with a permanent signing but had to bring Bendtner in when that proved not to be possible. It's also possible that Bendtner will sign on a permanent deal.

The op is speculating as am I and you to some extent.

And just how much do you think a proven 20 goal a season striker will cost us then ???? That is assuming fatty wants to replace a proven 20 goal a season striker, and if he doesn't then he want shooting the fat fucker, but I guarantee it will be a damn sight more than we got for B£nt if he does buy one.
 
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That's a very one dimensional approach. A player could score 30 goals but if we lose every game, what's the point.
 
That's a very one dimensional approach. A player could score 30 goals but if we lose every game, what's the point.

You are a real one aren't you, you need to score goals to win games, unless your brilliant mind has come up with another concept of winning games without having to score goals...
 
You are a real one aren't you, you need to score goals to win games, unless your brilliant mind has come up with another concept of winning games without having to score goals...

Have other people that can also score goals. I'd rather have the whole team score 40 goals than one person alone scoring 30. You also ignore the fact that there will be capable of scoring a nice return of goals. For example, Kevin Phillips didn't come to us with that guarantee.
 
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