Bruce hard done by


Status
Not open for further replies.
I'm ready to get slated for this, but i honestly think Bruce is been giving a very hard time over alot of things which aren't his fault.

Bent went for daft money in January, something Bruce had no control over as our club isn't big enough to turn down those sort of offers. He then gambled on not diving in and getting someone that wasn't going to fit in the club, he still had Welbeck, Gyan and Campbell just weeks away from match fitness.

We obviously know what happened next and the Bruce gamble didn't pay off, fair enough, i would have done the same thing.

The last few weeks of the season when Sess went up front, we seen a different player and a one that was starting to score, then against West Ham with him and Gyan they clicked and looked very good together.

Bruce then obviously thought we had a very good pair in Sess and Gyan, so didn't need to spend big over the summer on a forward. He however bought one of the hottest prospects in English football in Wickham, a player we would have only dreamed of signing.

When he saw Sess and Gyan wasn't working at the start of the season, he brought in Bendtner to help us along. I don't think anyone can argue that Gyan, Bendtner, Sess and Wickham wasn't a decent strike force and we couldn't be happy with it.

Then once again out of Bruce's hands Gyan left, which left us in the mire. Bruce threw in Wickham and that started to look like we finally had a decent strikeforce and Sess fit in perfectly on the left, our results picked up. Wickham then got injured, not Bruce's fault and we're left with just one up front again.

Basically the whole point of my article is that we've just been extremely unlucky with personnel and injuries. We've got the making of a good team, looking solid at the back, Sess can clearly do a job on the left, we just need Wickham back or even Campbell and we'll be absolutely fine.

If Wickham had played on Sat and Seb we'd have beat Fulham easily and it would have been a totally different picture this week!

Just give Bruce time to build his team, we will come good!
 
May I be the first to say: utter bollocks. Bruce is the luckiest manager in the premiership by far: great chairman, financially supportive owner, big crowds of passionate, knowledgeable supporters and - most importantly - at least 4 other teams in the division worse than his team.
 
I'm ready to get slated for this, but i honestly think Bruce is been giving a very hard time over alot of things which aren't his fault.

Bent went for daft money in January, something Bruce had no control over as our club isn't big enough to turn down those sort of offers. He then gambled on not diving in and getting someone that wasn't going to fit in the club, he still had Welbeck, Gyan and Campbell just weeks away from match fitness.

We obviously know what happened next and the Bruce gamble didn't pay off, fair enough, i would have done the same thing.

The last few weeks of the season when Sess went up front, we seen a different player and a one that was starting to score, then against West Ham with him and Gyan they clicked and looked very good together.

Bruce then obviously thought we had a very good pair in Sess and Gyan, so didn't need to spend big over the summer on a forward. He however bought one of the hottest prospects in English football in Wickham, a player we would have only dreamed of signing.

When he saw Sess and Gyan wasn't working at the start of the season, he brought in Bendtner to help us along. I don't think anyone can argue that Gyan, Bendtner, Sess and Wickham wasn't a decent strike force and we couldn't be happy with it.

Then once again out of Bruce's hands Gyan left, which left us in the mire. Bruce threw in Wickham and that started to look like we finally had a decent strikeforce and Sess fit in perfectly on the left, our results picked up. Wickham then got injured, not Bruce's fault and we're left with just one up front again.

Basically the whole point of my article is that we've just been extremely unlucky with personnel and injuries. We've got the making of a good team, looking solid at the back, Sess can clearly do a job on the left, we just need Wickham back or even Campbell and we'll be absolutely fine.

If Wickham had played on Sat and Seb we'd have beat Fulham easily and it would have been a totally different picture this week!

Just give Bruce time to build his team, we will come good!

:lol: Stopped reading here.
 
I'm ready to get slated for this, but i honestly think Bruce is been giving a very hard time over alot of things which aren't his fault.

Bent went for daft money in January, something Bruce had no control over as our club isn't big enough to turn down those sort of offers. He then gambled on not diving in and getting someone that wasn't going to fit in the club, he still had Welbeck, Gyan and Campbell just weeks away from match fitness.

We obviously know what happened next and the Bruce gamble didn't pay off, fair enough, i would have done the same thing.

The last few weeks of the season when Sess went up front, we seen a different player and a one that was starting to score, then against West Ham with him and Gyan they clicked and looked very good together.

Bruce then obviously thought we had a very good pair in Sess and Gyan, so didn't need to spend big over the summer on a forward. He however bought one of the hottest prospects in English football in Wickham, a player we would have only dreamed of signing.

When he saw Sess and Gyan wasn't working at the start of the season, he brought in Bendtner to help us along. I don't think anyone can argue that Gyan, Bendtner, Sess and Wickham wasn't a decent strike force and we couldn't be happy with it.

Then once again out of Bruce's hands Gyan left, which left us in the mire. Bruce threw in Wickham and that started to look like we finally had a decent strikeforce and Sess fit in perfectly on the left, our results picked up. Wickham then got injured, not Bruce's fault and we're left with just one up front again.

Basically the whole point of my article is that we've just been extremely unlucky with personnel and injuries. We've got the making of a good team, looking solid at the back, Sess can clearly do a job on the left, we just need Wickham back or even Campbell and we'll be absolutely fine.

If Wickham had played on Sat and Seb we'd have beat Fulham easily and it would have been a totally different picture this week!

Just give Bruce time to build his team, we will come good!

look at the stats since bruce has been in charge. they are not good and stats don't lie. not good enough i am afraid. in fact look at his stats wherever he has gone. not to good at all really. i am not a bruce out person or a bruce in. just always look at the facts
 
You will get slated but I get your point.

However, Bruce has suffered injuries every season so far and he must obtain more quality throughout the side in reserve. Goalkeeper is a prime example of how he has done it. Three good goalkeepers and he has needed them all. Do we have anywhere near three players that can play left midfield? You then look at centre midfield and he has Cattermole, Vaughan, Colback, Gardener and Meyler who could all interchange. I don't think he is that far off but just needs to cover himself a bit better in certain positions. I also think that they could have blocked Gyan's move if they really wanted. He may have sulked for a few weeks or months but poor performances would have been much to his detriment as ours so he would have had to get on with it.

I think he does himself no favours in that regard with squad building.
 
If Rooney had gone down in the first few minutes against us, whatever result we achieved would've been put down to that .......... we lose Wickham, who was starting to appear very good indeed, and people shrug it off as if it's nowt.

That seems to be the case of much of what anti-Bruce people say. It seems to be the case that minds are made up and nothing, even facts, will change that.

Fair enough, it's a free country :neutral:
 
Last edited by a moderator:
I agree that matters have been taken out of his hands and that u cant legislate for injuries, and we have been rather unlucky in that respect, however, some his team selections and tactics have been niave at best, substitutions (or lack of) and comments to the press, bring alot of flack upon himself.

I'm not bruce out, YET!

Massive game on saturday!
 
You will get slated but I get your point.

However, Bruce has suffered injuries every season so far and he must obtain more quality throughout the side in reserve. Goalkeeper is a prime example of how he has done it. Three good goalkeepers and he has needed them all. Do we have anywhere near three players that can play left midfield? You then look at centre midfield and he has Cattermole, Vaughan, Colback, Gardener and Meyler who could all interchange. I don't think he is that far off but just needs to cover himself a bit better in certain positions. I also think that they could have blocked Gyan's move if they really wanted. He may have sulked for a few weeks or months but poor performances would have been much to his detriment as ours so he would have had to get on with it.

I think he does himself no favours in that regard with squad building.


But when you look at the team he took over, it was a dreadful squad, we didn't have the best starting 11 and absolutely no cover at all.

He is slowly bringing in the numbers, got rid of the total dead wood we had and we're only 2 maybe 3 players tops from having avery good top 10 side season upon season.

To do a mass overhaul of the squad he had it was always goign to take time, we've still managed to progress season on season and i still think we're in a fine position at the minute to finish top 10 again.

I jsut think the club is in the best position we've ever had and some of that is down to Bruce, wich some people just cannot see!

People say he has had a huge budget, but has he really, he has had to trim the wage bill and has about broke even in terms of players in and out, yet we're still improving!
 
But when you look at the team he took over, it was a dreadful squad, we didn't have the best starting 11 and absolutely no cover at all.

He is slowly bringing in the numbers, got rid of the total dead wood we had and we're only 2 maybe 3 players tops from having avery good top 10 side season upon season.

To do a mass overhaul of the squad he had it was always goign to take time, we've still managed to progress season on season and i still think we're in a fine position at the minute to finish top 10 again.

I jsut think the club is in the best position we've ever had and some of that is down to Bruce, wich some people just cannot see!

People say he has had a huge budget, but has he really, he has had to trim the wage bill and has about broke even in terms of players in and out, yet we're still improving!

yeah, just he could have got a left midfielder from somewhere in amongst all the comings and goings.
 
But when you look at the team he took over, it was a dreadful squad, we didn't have the best starting 11 and absolutely no cover at all.

He is slowly bringing in the numbers, got rid of the total dead wood we had and we're only 2 maybe 3 players tops from having avery good top 10 side season upon season.

To do a mass overhaul of the squad he had it was always goign to take time, we've still managed to progress season on season and i still think we're in a fine position at the minute to finish top 10 again.

I jsut think the club is in the best position we've ever had and some of that is down to Bruce, wich some people just cannot see!

People say he has had a huge budget, but has he really, he has had to trim the wage bill and has about broke even in terms of players in and out, yet we're still improving!

Are you for real????????

I get your initial point, but that is total rubbish. Bruce stated in December last year that all we needed to do in January was tweak the squad, and that from now on we would be buying quality not quantity.

If that was the case how come we brought in 11 players over the summer? Where is the quality of three of them coming from relegated sides & a further two from a lower division?
 
I'm ready to get slated for this, but i honestly think Bruce is been giving a very hard time over alot of things which aren't his fault.

Bent went for daft money in January, something Bruce had no control over as our club isn't big enough to turn down those sort of offers. He then gambled on not diving in and getting someone that wasn't going to fit in the club, he still had Welbeck, Gyan and Campbell just weeks away from match fitness.

We obviously know what happened next and the Bruce gamble didn't pay off, fair enough, i would have done the same thing.

The last few weeks of the season when Sess went up front, we seen a different player and a one that was starting to score, then against West Ham with him and Gyan they clicked and looked very good together.

Bruce then obviously thought we had a very good pair in Sess and Gyan, so didn't need to spend big over the summer on a forward. He however bought one of the hottest prospects in English football in Wickham, a player we would have only dreamed of signing.

When he saw Sess and Gyan wasn't working at the start of the season, he brought in Bendtner to help us along. I don't think anyone can argue that Gyan, Bendtner, Sess and Wickham wasn't a decent strike force and we couldn't be happy with it.

Then once again out of Bruce's hands Gyan left, which left us in the mire. Bruce threw in Wickham and that started to look like we finally had a decent strikeforce and Sess fit in perfectly on the left, our results picked up. Wickham then got injured, not Bruce's fault and we're left with just one up front again.

Basically the whole point of my article is that we've just been extremely unlucky with personnel and injuries. We've got the making of a good team, looking solid at the back, Sess can clearly do a job on the left, we just need Wickham back or even Campbell and we'll be absolutely fine.

If Wickham had played on Sat and Seb we'd have beat Fulham easily and it would have been a totally different picture this week!

Just give Bruce time to build his team, we will come good!

This is the team that Bruce built ya daft knacker, and it's not looking very good, in fact I can see us finishing about where we are now if we are lucky.
 
Are you for real????????

I get your initial point, but that is total rubbish. Bruce stated in December last year that all we needed to do in January was tweak the squad, and that from now on we would be buying quality not quantity.

If that was the case how come we brought in 11 players over the summer? Where is the quality of three of them coming from relegated sides & a further two from a lower division?

Out of the side last season though we had 5 players on loan, all which neded replacing. Then given the number of injuries we got hit with AFTER January, it was obvious we needed more squad players in. We were fielding a bench at times with 4 or 5 youth players in. That is not a position any premiership club should be in.

I thikn it's safe to say also that he has brought in 3 quality players all from Champions League teams in Brown, O'Shea and Bendtner.

Some people need to get a grip like and realise just how far we've come in 5 years, do people want us to do a Leeds or something? F*cking hoenstly man, there some right clueless f*cks out there!
 
I agree to a point as he has lost Bent, Henderson, Welbeck and Gyan simply because we weren't a big enough/rich enough club. You could argue he has been unlucky with injuries, you could argue he may be to blame for this.

However, I think he has had a 'mare this summer with the players he has brought in and the ones he has let go. Again, you could argue he is no longer shopping at Harrods, but Gardener at £5m? Wickham and Ji for £10m? And I really worry for the defence if Brown gets injured, as he inevitably will.
 
Out of the side last season though we had 5 players on loan, all which neded replacing. Then given the number of injuries we got hit with AFTER January, it was obvious we needed more squad players in. We were fielding a bench at times with 4 or 5 youth players in. That is not a position any premiership club should be in.

I thikn it's safe to say also that he has brought in 3 quality players all from Champions League teams in Brown, O'Shea and Bendtner.

Some people need to get a grip like and realise just how far we've come in 5 years, do people want us to do a Leeds or something? F*cking hoenstly man, there some right clueless f*cks out there!


Then the club shouldn't be telling the fans they want a top 10 or European finish then should they, it gives a false impression of their ambitions to everyone when this kind of shit happens.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Think Bruce's most ardent supporters started to show frustration with him towards the tail end of last season, the Fulham and Wolves home games were when I first heard people I know saying it was time for him to go, others said "give him until Christmas next season".
 
I'm ready to get slated for this, but i honestly think Bruce is been giving a very hard time over alot of things which aren't his fault.

Bent went for daft money in January, something Bruce had no control over as our club isn't big enough to turn down those sort of offers. He then gambled on not diving in and getting someone that wasn't going to fit in the club, he still had Welbeck, Gyan and Campbell just weeks away from match fitness.

We obviously know what happened next and the Bruce gamble didn't pay off, fair enough, i would have done the same thing.

The last few weeks of the season when Sess went up front, we seen a different player and a one that was starting to score, then against West Ham with him and Gyan they clicked and looked very good together.

Bruce then obviously thought we had a very good pair in Sess and Gyan, so didn't need to spend big over the summer on a forward. He however bought one of the hottest prospects in English football in Wickham, a player we would have only dreamed of signing.

When he saw Sess and Gyan wasn't working at the start of the season, he brought in Bendtner to help us along. I don't think anyone can argue that Gyan, Bendtner, Sess and Wickham wasn't a decent strike force and we couldn't be happy with it.

Then once again out of Bruce's hands Gyan left, which left us in the mire. Bruce threw in Wickham and that started to look like we finally had a decent strikeforce and Sess fit in perfectly on the left, our results picked up. Wickham then got injured, not Bruce's fault and we're left with just one up front again.

Basically the whole point of my article is that we've just been extremely unlucky with personnel and injuries. We've got the making of a good team, looking solid at the back, Sess can clearly do a job on the left, we just need Wickham back or even Campbell and we'll be absolutely fine.

If Wickham had played on Sat and Seb we'd have beat Fulham easily and it would have been a totally different picture this week!

Just give Bruce time to build his team, we will come good!

Stopped reading at bold. 25mil isn't daft money for the striker we now long for.
 
If Rooney had gone down in the first few minutes against us, whatever result we achieved would've been put down to that .......... we lose Wickham, who was starting to appear very good indeed, and people shrug it off as if it's nowt.

That seems to be the case of much of what anti-Bruce people say. It seems to be the case that minds are made up and nothing, even facts, will change that.

Fair enough, it's a free country :neutral:

What facts to back up Bruce are you talking about Riv?

There's a few facts against him. Not sure which ones support him..
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top