Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton.


We’re trying to do what Brentford and Brighton have done tbf.

Whether our fans have the patience for it, is another matter.
This 100%
They sell players and reinvest in the playing squad.
We sell players and reinvest with kids and sicknotes who aren’t ready for the league.
They have the resources now to pay top wages, we don’t we’ve got to take a punt on developmental players, they can buy internationals ready for the premier league, then they sell them on and reinvest again. By hook or by crook we need to get to the premier league and access the funding to get on the merry go round, and as fans we need to support them in the journey.
 
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My Carlisle supporting BiL tells me he remembers Bournemouth v Carlisle some year's ago… inside the ground Bournemouth officials had buckets collecting loose change in order to pay the players!!
How things have changed for The Cherries.
 
Location, location, location.

the NE isn’t a pull, the southern coast/close to London is.

We should move our main training camp south. Have the youth academy in the north east still but the main in somewhere like Surrey.
I think it’s just a matter of time before the mags do it, or put it somewhere warm and beautiful
So not Saudi Arabia then....
 
We’re trying to do what Brentford and Brighton have done tbf.

Whether our fans have the patience for it, is another matter.
This for me is the nail on the head and it's more the issue of any big club as opposed to just us. There isn't the pressure, scrutiny or expectation from these small fan bases of the likes of Brentford, Brighton and Bournemouth.

Their relatively sustained periods of recent top flight success is unchartered in their histories. Without trying to be disrespectful to them, their fan bases would almost certainly see them as punching above their weight simply by being in the top flight. You're not going to get that patience or understanding at a club of our size who see themselves as deserving of a seat at the top table on size and history alone. It's something that Donald and Metven didn't understand or get until they got here. We are not Eastleigh.

These days with the tv deals dwarfing match day income. There's almost an argument for saying it's a hindrance being a big club once the pressure builds. Just look at Man Utd. Amorin, like the men he followed, is under intense scrutiny from the second he took charge.
 
We’re trying to do what Brentford and Brighton have done tbf.

Whether our fans have the patience for it, is another matter.
They both had owners who invested lots into the club, our owners compared to most in this league alone invest relatively little (I think 19th highest owner investment in the accounts last year I think).
 
Location, location, location.

the NE isn’t a pull, the southern coast/close to London is.

We should move our main training camp south. Have the youth academy in the north east still but the main in somewhere like Surrey.
I think it’s just a matter of time before the mags do it, or put it somewhere warm and beautiful
Manchester is all sunny and beautiful 😂 couldn’t pay me to live in Liverpool etc. The north east has some of the most beautiful places to live in the country and is very competitive price wise for those areas. It’s money it’s always money. If the mags find a way to spend the blood money you think the north east will be an issue then?. Players were packing their bags to china a few years ago and now chose to go to a desert. If your offer enough and if your successful enough being in the north east is t an issue.
This for me is the nail on the head and it's more the issue of any big club as opposed to just us. There isn't the pressure, scrutiny or expectation from these small fan bases of the likes of Brentford, Brighton and Bournemouth.

Their relatively sustained periods of recent top flight success is unchartered in their histories. Without trying to be disrespectful to them, their fan bases would almost certainly see them as punching above their weight simply by being in the top flight. You're not going to get that patience or understanding at a club of our size who see themselves as deserving of a seat at the top table on size and history alone. It's something that Donald and Metven didn't understand or get until they got here. We are not Eastleigh.

These days with the tv deals dwarfing match day income. There's almost an argument for saying it's a hindrance being a big club once the pressure builds. Just look at Man Utd. Amorin, like the men he followed, is under intense scrutiny from the second he took charge.
They all spent a fortune mate to get there and stay there. It’s all good having a plan and a model but if you don’t back that plan and model up with investment you’ll tread water. It’s shite but that’s football, if we don’t go up there’s every chance monsters of the modern game like the mighty Ipswich did last season will come and take our better players and we will be able to do nowt about it. It’s all about money.
 
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Manchester is all sunny and beautiful 😂 couldn’t pay me to live in Liverpool etc. The north east has some of the most beautiful places to live in the country and is very competitive price wise for those areas. It’s money it’s always money. If the mags find a way to spend the blood money you think the north east will be an issue then?. Players were packing their bags to china a few years ago and now chose to go to a desert. If your offer enough and if your successful enough being in the north east is t an issue.

They all spent a fortune mate to get there and stay there. It’s all good having a plan and a model but if you don’t back that plan and model up with investment you’ll tread water. It’s shite but that’s football, if we don’t go up there’s every chance monsters of the modern game like the mighty Ipswich did last season will come and take our better players and we will be able to do nowt about it. It’s all about money.
It’s not that long ago that boro were attracting world renowned players. They didn’t come for the view of ICI. It was money that made them come.
 
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My Carlisle supporting BiL tells me he remembers Bournemouth v Carlisle some year's ago… inside the ground Bournemouth officials had buckets collecting loose change in order to pay the players!!
How things have changed for The Cherries.

Indeed.

To think Brighton, Bournemouth and Brentford were regular seasonal fixtures with us and we could pull in bigger crowds.
Equally we are an hour by train from London.

There is hope with the right owners and sadly we never get off that mark.
 
Brighton are very very well ran club. I actually think they should be a little higher than they are. Bournemouth are about 3 or 4 good signings away from being the same. For Brentford they might have to start again a bit in the summer when they lose Mbuemo.
 
Location, location, location.

the NE isn’t a pull, the southern coast/close to London is.

We should move our main training camp south. Have the youth academy in the north east still but the main in somewhere like Surrey.
I think it’s just a matter of time before the mags do it, or put it somewhere warm and beautiful
We won't even paint the stadium of fix the toilets. There's zero chance of buying land in Surrey and building a training ground ffs.
 
Another loss, another fan losing their head over a "lesser" club doing better than us.
People do have a point though. Good luck to them but they don't have potential of Sunderland IMO. They are well funded and players can live in and around the London area. Slightly better weather too. It sounds like a tin foil hat rant but I fully believe there will be a lot of talented players that won't want to live this far north. We were in league one, the biggest club he'd have played for at the time yet Will Grigg didn't fancy living here man.
 
People do have a point though. Good luck to them but they don't have potential of Sunderland IMO. They are well funded and players can live in and around the London area. Slightly better weather too. It sounds like a tin foil hat rant but I fully believe there will be a lot of talented players that won't want to live this far north. We were in league one, the biggest club he'd have played for at the time yet Will Grigg didn't fancy living here man.
What potential does Sunderland have in the modern game? A 40k crowd isn't what it once was, loads of teams are extending and building stadiums that will take them above us.

The ticket revenue for the club is pretty cheap relatively and players don't want to live here so it requires paying well over the knocker for them. Which we can't and won't do.

It's hard to see us becoming anything other than a hope to get promoted and then expect to be relegated football club.
 
You have to intially get promoted with a team that has potential and players with possible sell on values( a good crop of youngsters who will hold their own in Prem)......then 1st season stay up in 17th place......then you then have talent which are still getting better and other clubs come and give u vast sums for them.......this can then allow u to build and build and build.

Which is what we are sort of trying to do.....for example.....our players can improve whereas sheffutd players have reached their limit. But initialy you must get promoted with a team that is improving year on year.
 
What potential does Sunderland have in the modern game? A 40k crowd isn't what it once was, loads of teams are extending and building stadiums that will take them above us.

The ticket revenue for the club is pretty cheap relatively and players don't want to live here so it requires paying well over the knocker for them. Which we can't and won't do.
A bigger crowd does make a difference though. Not in the financial sense these days but look at the mags. As much as it pains me to say it, their crowd have got the team through a few big games since the takeover. If we can start to get some consistent success and find a way to get 49,000 in with the place rocking we might be able to actually have a Brighton/Forest type season. There have been a few times this season the likes of Leeds have had a crowd that have got them over the line. We need to invest in some players that will take us further than we've seen in recent history to get the SoL on board.
 
Apart from all being in the south of England, what makes these little clubs have the ability to be able to do what we can’t.
It’s mind boggling!
Mind boggling ?
They get at least 80 mil more than us every season.
At the moment we are the next best club after all the prem teams and the parachute payment teams.
It's not difficult to understand
We'll never pull that off like. Living in cuckoo land if they think that
Why?
Arent we the next best club in the country after parachute payment clubs ?
Don't we have a team of young players who are seen as some of the best in the league ?
Some of our fans are cuckoo
 
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A bigger crowd does make a difference though. Not in the financial sense these days but look at the mags. As much as it pains me to say it, their crowd have got the team through a few big games since the takeover. If we can start to get some consistent success and find a way to get 49,000 in with the place rocking we might be able to actually have a Brighton/Forest type season. There have been a few times this season the likes of Leeds have had a crowd that have got them over the line. We need to invest in some players that will take us further than we've seen in recent history to get the SoL on board.
It's not going to happen though is it? I'd be amazed if this summer we didn't reduce the quality in the squad when we lose players and replace them with more £3m lads with potential.

We are years away and probably more ambitious owners away from what you describe.

My point was that although we may have more potential than a Brentford. A few teams are currently renovating their ground and will have a better stadium than us.
 

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