Boris Johnson faces inquiry over racist comments

Discussion in 'SMB' started by Ben Gardner, Aug 9, 2018.

  1. RedFlag1308

    RedFlag1308 Winger

    It is islamaphobic, the point is that the majority of people in England hold islamaphobic opinions.

    This is just another drip drip drip into the pool of dehumanisation.
     
  2. But you want to tell them what they can or can’t do? Isn’t that treating them as second class citizens?

    Like I said earlier, there are other ways to deal with oppression of women than taking more of their rights away.
     
  3. Dressing them up so they're near invisible is much worse. I think they have right to be seen and other people have the right to see who you're talking to. We tell everyone what they can and can't do and you want to too.

    Come again
     
  4. I think he has looked at how thing panned out for Trump with his methods to get into power and thought 'I'm having a bit of that approach'.
     
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  5. Frijj

    Frijj Striker

    I am addressing the oppression - by agreeing we should ban the burka.

    I wholly and entirely reject your quite frankly ridiculous suggestion that banning the burka is in any way equivalent to conservative Islam.

    If you’d rather Islam continues oppressing women then you go ahead and pick fights with your allies because they’re not ideologically pure.

    Islam won’t change so we either accept women are free to wear the burka at the cost of allowing women to be oppressed by the burka, or we free women from the burka at the cost of not allowing those who choose it to wear it.
     
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  6. Frijj,

    I've liked 2 of your posts in a year. This is not good enough. Please can we have a row on the next topic?

    Thanks
    Ross
    xx
     
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  7. You’re basically saying non-Muslim men can tell a woman she can’t wear a burka, because it’s not okay for a Muslim man to tell a woman she can’t wear western clothes. It’s all the same. Telling women what to wear in order to make them “free”.

    This isn’t an argument about Islam or whether Islam will change.

    Not all Muslim wear the burka. Ergo, Islam does not tell women to wear the burka.

    This is about certain sections of Islamic society telling women what they can and can’t wear, versus westerners telling women what they can and can’t wear. Why is it better that you tell a woman what she can wear wear rather than a Muslim man?

    You want to free women by telling them they have to dress the way you think they should.

    Reminds me of Team America. Freedom is the only way.
     
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  8. Keawyeds

    Keawyeds Striker

    Very true. And what a way to level the playing field that must be.
    However, the way I see it, it's their choice to wear it and as such, if they enter a building where face coverings aren't permitted, they can take it off.

    That's fair enough isn't it?
     
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  9. Harry Angstrom

    Harry Angstrom Striker

    You are utterly correct. It is pointless banning it and it's up to the women to extricate themselves from the yoke of male oppression because there is fuck all we can do about it.
    I'm just surprised that liberals tolerate such behaviour in a modern society like the UK.
     
  10. joemcdokes

    joemcdokes Striker

    I don't care either way, I feel no threat whatsoever.
     
  11. Here’s an example for you Frijj pet.

    We could say women who get cosmetic surgery do it because they are pressurised by society into looking a certain way. Whether they realise it or not, even if they say they want it for themselves, we could argue that it’s really society making them feel shit about their bodies.

    We could ban cosmetic surgery. We’d be doing it for their own good because they don’t need it. They should be happy with the face or tits they have. We’d be freeing them from themselves.

    Or we could work harder to teach your women that their worth is about more than whether they have huge boobs or a perfect nose, and help them feel more comfortable in their own bodies. Even if their friends and boyfriends tell them otherwise and expect otherwise.

    (And no, I’m not saying a boob job is the same as covering your face, I’m just pointing out that there are two sides to this kind of argument and that there are other ways to tackle issues of women feeling pressured to conform to whatever their own cultures tell them they should do)

    But not banning the burka isn’t the same as saying “and let’s not address oppression in islam”. I’ve already said it should be tackled in other ways than banning clothing.
     
  12. I don't care what religion you do and don't believe in. This has nothing to do with it. The government and society decide what the laws of the land are.

    The Danes have decided that you can't wear one specific item. They are not dictating what you can must wear. You can wear any of the other billion clothing items. Your choice is limited by 0.00000000000001%. You also can't walk around naked. In some countries you can't wear a swastika. Most people don't want to wear it and some people do. Are you ok with taking away the rights of women who want to wear a swastika or walk around naked?
     
  13. Harry Angstrom

    Harry Angstrom Striker

    I don't see much being done to tackle the issues of homophobia, misogyny and racism in the Muslim community. They seem to have a get out of jail free card unlike the rest of us.
     
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  14. Frijj

    Frijj Striker

    I’m a realist. Nobody is free to wear what they want, but I’d love for all women to be able to wear what we as a liberal western society deem to be acceptable.

    That isn’t possible when you have women forced to wear a burka by the conservative version of Islam that dominates their life.

    The best possible solution for now is to ban the burka. Yes, it’s telling women what to wear, but to a infinitely smaller degree:

    Conservative Islam

    What can women wear:

    Burka

    What women can’t wear:

    anything else

    Ideal Liberal Western democracy

    What can women wear:

    Loads of things

    What women can’t wear:

    Burka
     
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  15. Are you reading my posts over my shoulder or summit?
     
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  16. Frijj

    Frijj Striker

    Yes.

    Nice aftershave x
     
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  17. Lynx Africa FTW
     
  18. Frijj

    Frijj Striker

    You smell like PE
     
  19. What a woman wears should be her own individual choice and not that of any man unless it is work related and applicable to that job.
     
  20. Well, you smell like pee.
    hahhhahahhahhaah

    Just watched a vid with Maajid Nawaz where he raises the question of why boys don't wear a headscarf. Its an interesting question.
     
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