Borini - £10 million buy out clause


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Too low. QPR and us both offered him £60k/wk plus.
He held out for £90k.


No idea what he's on at Liverpool but I'd assumed £40-50k per wk as he's only a squad member and was very young when they bought him...

Do you know this for a fact or just following the speculation in the news? I believe the QPR story but if he held out for £90k from us then why would Poyet still think we had a chance? It doesn't add up.

Who is he going to join in January who didn't want him now?

He could move to Roma or one of the Milans, but that's because it's a much weaker league.

You've answered your own question. Like it or not, playing for Milan, Inter or Roma and having a chance of regular European football is a bigger draw for most than playing for Sunderland.
 
You've answered your own question. Like it or not, playing for Milan, Inter or Roma and having a chance of regular European football is a bigger draw for most than playing for Sunderland.

Absolutely. It seems they were interested too.

However, Milan, Inter or Roma wouldn't pay him anywhere near £90k, and it seems that the idea of earning that money at QPR trumped the lure of playing for a famous Italian team in Europe.

I can understand why he'd turn down Sunderland. What I can't understand is why he'd reject / price himself out of a move to stay at a club that explicitly does not want him.
 
Absolutely. It seems they were interested too.

However, Milan, Inter or Roma wouldn't pay him anywhere near £90k, and it seems that the idea of earning that money at QPR trumped the lure of playing for a famous Italian team in Europe.

I can understand why he'd turn down Sunderland. What I can't understand is why he'd reject / price himself out of a move to stay at a club that explicitly does not want him.

Inter were allegedly interested in a loan move but Liverpool rejected it. The only offer on the table on deadline day was the QPR offer which is why he asked for ridiculous money. By pricing himself out, he's given himself a chance of a move to Italy in 4 months time - Liverpool will be more open to loaning him for the rest of the season to save on wages. If he had moved to QPR, he'd have been stuck there for a few years unless they got relegated.
 
Who is he going to join in January who didn't want him now?

He's surplus to requirements at Liverpool, and if you leave Liverpool under those circumstances you're going to end up at a lesser club or in a lesser league.

There are 3 tiers in English football imo - the top 7 (City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, United, Spurs, Everton), the middle lot (most of the league) and the fodder (currently Burnley, Leicester, arguably Villa).

He's a middle-lot player. If he doesn't fancy us and expects to be compensated heavily for stepping down to a QPR, I think he's options in England are near zero.

He could move to Roma or one of the Milans, but that's because it's a much weaker league.

If he wants £90k pw, he'll should give Gyan a bell.

To play for QPR.

I don't have a crystal ball so I can't answer the first question but there are lots of big clubs playing in Europe, some might have a striker who gets injured and will be on the look out for a player who's availible. People get desperate in January & Liverpool will be either more willing to drop his price or he'll be back in the side.

Italian league might be weaker, but as an Italian, what do you think would make him feel he's achieved the most in his career, pocket a fortune playing for a side like us or playing for a club like Milan and challanging for honours.

He's probably seen what playing for us does to someones international prospects too.

Absolutely. It seems they were interested too.

However, Milan, Inter or Roma wouldn't pay him anywhere near £90k, and it seems that the idea of earning that money at QPR trumped the lure of playing for a famous Italian team in Europe.

I can understand why he'd turn down Sunderland. What I can't understand is why he'd reject / price himself out of a move to stay at a club that explicitly does not want him.
You're just making stuff up now.

Inter didn't get permission to speak to Borini.
 
Absolutely. It seems they were interested too.

However, Milan, Inter or Roma wouldn't pay him anywhere near £90k, and it seems that the idea of earning that money at QPR trumped the lure of playing for a famous Italian team in Europe.

I can understand why he'd turn down Sunderland. What I can't understand is why he'd reject / price himself out of a move to stay at a club that explicitly does not want him.

Pussywhipped by his scouse blart IMO.
 
Inter were allegedly interested in a loan move but Liverpool rejected it. The only offer on the table on deadline day was the QPR offer which is why he asked for ridiculous money. By pricing himself out, he's given himself a chance of a move to Italy in 4 months time - Liverpool will be more open to loaning him for the rest of the season to save on wages. If he had moved to QPR, he'd have been stuck there for a few years unless they got relegated.

Bit of a risky strategy. If Liverpool at still in the league cup and the CL / Europa (especially the Europa), they're very unlikely to get rid to save a percentage of 4 months salary.

He could well complete waste an entire season of his career - and it's a career that (prior to Sunderland) saw him make an average of 14 appearance a season, many of which were from the bench.

To play for QPR.

I don't have a crystal ball so I can't answer the first question but there are lots of big clubs playing in Europe, some might have a striker who gets injured and will be on the look out for a player who's availible. People get desperate in January & Liverpool will be either more willing to drop his price or he'll be back in the side.

Italian league might be weaker, but as an Italian, what do you think would make him feel he's achieved the most in his career, pocket a fortune playing for a side like us or playing for a club like Milan and challanging for honours.

He's probably seen what playing for us does to someones international prospects too.

I agree that AC Milan is a more appealing prospect than us. Already posted as much.

You're just making stuff up now.

Inter didn't get permission to speak to Borini.

Because Inter weren't willing to buy him.

Do you think that any Italian club would pay £10m and £90pw for Fabio Borini? There just isn't that kind of money in Italian football anymore, not for gambles like Borini.

I think if he wants that kind of money, he needs to look to Russia or China. You could get Bony for less, or someone else - because as you point out, there are lots of big clubs playing in Europe.
 
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Bit of a risky strategy. If Liverpool at still in the league cup and the CL / Europa (especially the Europa), they're very unlikely to get rid to save a percentage of 4 months salary.

He could well complete waste an entire season of his career - and it's a career that (prior to Sunderland) saw him make an average of 14 appearance a season, many of which were from the bench.



I agree that AC Milan is a more appealing prospect than us. Already posted as much.



Because Inter weren't willing to buy him.

Do you think that any Italian club would pay £10m and £90pw for Fabio Borini? There just isn't that kind of money in Italian football anymore, not for gambles like Borini.

I think if he wants that kind of money, he needs to look to Russia or China. You could get Bony for less, or someone else - because as you point out, there are lots of big clubs playing in Europe.
Haha, this is hard work.

Do you think he'd ask £90k a week at Ac Milan (or Roma, Juve etc....)?
 
Bit of a risky strategy. If Liverpool at still in the league cup and the CL / Europa (especially the Europa), they're very unlikely to get rid to save a percentage of 4 months salary.

He could well complete waste an entire season of his career - and it's a career that (prior to Sunderland) saw him make an average of 14 appearance a season, many of which were from the bench.



I agree that AC Milan is a more appealing prospect than us. Already posted as much.



Because Inter weren't willing to buy him.

Do you think that any Italian club would pay £10m and £90pw for Fabio Borini? There just isn't that kind of money in Italian football anymore, not for gambles like Borini.

I think if he wants that kind of money, he needs to look to Russia or China. You could get Bony for less, or someone else - because as you point out, there are lots of big clubs playing in Europe.

Why would Liverpool keep him when they could loan him out, save wages and potentially set up a summer transfer? The only reason they would keep him is because they need him for games which would be what he wanted in the first place.

As for the point about Italy and wages - there's no suggestion at all that Borini would want £90k a week to move to Italy. He demanded that because he wasn't overly keen on going to QPR.
 
Haha, this is hard work.

Do you think he'd ask £90k a week at Ac Milan (or Roma, Juve etc....)?

It's possible, based on the fact that he asked for that in a contract negotiation 2 days ago.

He wouldn't get near the Juve first team. He'd be looking further down the league than that. Roma seems a likely possibility, given that he randomly started Fav-ing a load of Roma tweets a few days ago. I'm not sure if they'd pay him more than Pogba, even if they could afford the fee after a fairly expensive summer. If they could, I assume that's where he'd be.

My general point is that Borini has priced himself out of a move, and that staying at Liverpool is bad for career. Can I ask what you're arguing against?
 
Why would Liverpool keep him when they could loan him out, save wages and potentially set up a summer transfer? The only reason they would keep him is because they need him for games which would be what he wanted in the first place.

As for the point about Italy and wages - there's no suggestion at all that Borini would want £90k a week to move to Italy. He demanded that because he wasn't overly keen on going to QPR.

Borini is on c. £2.6m a year. Loaning him out in January would save around £1m, assuming the other club picked up the entire tab. £1m is absolutely nothing.

If Borini had realistic demands for Italian clubs and unrealisitic ones for his British suitors why isn't he in Italy now? If Liverpool will loan in January to save money, why didn't they loan in August to save even more money?

The most likely scenario, based on what we know, is that Borini's team massively overestimated his earning potential, then lost a game of brinkmanship.

The bitterness in this thread would be enough to make chuck norris cry.

tbh I'd have the same opinion of Borini if he was on loan at Newcastle last season. There's a Borini equivalent every window.
 
Pussywhipped by his scouse blart IMO.

:lol: Feel a bit sorry for his missus here mind, she cant win! When he looked like going to QPR people were saying "hes pussywhipped and his missus just wants to move to London", when he stays ive seen a few mention that it'll have been his missus not wanting to leave Liverpool. So basically unless he came to SAFC his missus is a bitch!
 
It's possible, based on the fact that he asked for that in a contract negotiation 2 days ago.

He wouldn't get near the Juve first team. He'd be looking further down the league than that. Roma seems a likely possibility, given that he randomly started Fav-ing a load of Roma tweets a few days ago. I'm not sure if they'd pay him more than Pogba, even if they could afford the fee after a fairly expensive summer. If they could, I assume that's where he'd be.

My general point is that Borini has priced himself out of a move, and that staying at Liverpool is bad for career. Can I ask what you're arguing against?

Might be possible, but highly unlikely he's ask for the same money from a club that he'd actually want to play for.

My point is that he's priced himself out of a move to QPR and that a move there could have been worse for his career than a few months sat on Liverpools bench (or even in the stands).
 
Borini is on c. £2.6m a year. Loaning him out in January would save around £1m, assuming the other club picked up the entire tab. £1m is absolutely nothing.

If Borini had realistic demands for Italian clubs and unrealisitic ones for his British suitors why isn't he in Italy now? If Liverpool will loan in January to save money, why didn't they loan in August to save even more money?

The most likely scenario, based on what we know, is that Borini's team massively overestimated his earning potential, then lost a game of brinkmanship.



tbh I'd have the same opinion of Borini if he was on loan at Newcastle last season. There's a Borini equivalent every window.

They didn't loan him in August because they thought they were getting rid of him permanently.
 
If thats true then yes, not surprised at all that they pulled the plug. So they pay 10m+, have to pay far more than hes worth as a weekly salary and dont even have the comfort that if he does well they can sell for a big profit. The term wanting to have your cake and eat it springs to mind, Fabio. That deal would be a non starter purely from a financial standpoint, even before considering the fact that it suggests a huge lack of commitment on the players behalf.
Makes Bent look modest and loyal....
 
They didn't loan him in August because they thought they were getting rid of him permanently.

But why didn't they loan him once the QPR deal fell through, if they are likely to loan him in January?

My view is that they'd sell him because the market was willing to pay more than his worth, but wouldn't loan him because he's not a massive cost and they need a big squad. I think they'd sell him in Jan, but not loan him to save £1m. Time will tell though.
 
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