Big Sam

hawaymadlad said:
He hit on lucky, Kirchhoff made a huge difference as did the Everton squad downing tools to get shot of Martinez. I think many fans got carried away with Sam when we put the mags down. The football until February of that season was shocking. The usual miracle run in, which wasn’t as good as Poyet’s, saved us yet again. His time here is very overrated by some.
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I enjoyed his football, he signed Kirchoff so well done to Sam for that one. The football under poet was crap for most parts, with the odd decent performance. You could say poet got luckier with the great escape. All I'm saying is under Sam it felt less of a fluke
 


Whether it's BSA or someone else that comes in, Ross isn't getting the best out of the squad and simply doesn't appear capable of finding a settled side. Whether you like BSA or not he is undoubtedly an experienced top manager that is capable of getting the best out of a player. Some of the negative comments on here for BSA are probably justified, but that's part of BSA he's been ruthless and money orientated in the past, but he is by far a better manager than Ross will ever be.

I doubt if everyone would be happy no matter which manager's name was mentioned on here but someone needs to come in to organise these players.
 
Mr B said:
So he started 9 points from 7th and 5 points clear of a relegation spot.
He finished 5 points from 7th and 16 points clear of a relegation spot.

Sounds reasonable to me as I’d expected teams in the top 7 to continue picking up more points than those in the bottom 7.
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Sounds bang average to me with the players at his disposal but each to their own. He never once talked of catching Bolton despite their mad spell where they barely won a game, because that would actually put some pressure on himself. Maybe we'd have done better had we not plummeted to 19th in the league on virtually every metric. This from a red sums it up.....

Allardyce leaves Everton after six miserable months with his reputation as a survival specialist intact. Therein lies the failure. Everton, as the 63-year‑old admitted when installed as Ronald Koeman’s replacement in November, represented the best opportunity of his club career to shatter preconceptions about his management style.
He succeeded only in confirming they were legitimate. Wretched football on a weekly basis, taking responsibility for victory while abdicating it in defeat and an arrogant dismissal of supporters were not the basis for building consensus or hope for the future. Not that the Everton hierarchy have delivered on that score.

Wretched football, erroneous boasts: Sam Allardyce was an Everton misfit
SpiritofBurnden said:
How much has your current manager spent and what position did you finish last season?
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Not the manager in control anymore but we've clearly spent a lot and finished 8th. If you're comparing last season to the Allardyce spell then the only people on planet Earth who's want the latter is a few off here.
 
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hawaymadlad said:
He hit on lucky, Kirchhoff made a huge difference as did the Everton squad downing tools to get shot of Martinez. I think many fans got carried away with Sam when we put the mags down. The football until February of that season was shocking. The usual miracle run in, which wasn’t as good as Poyet’s, saved us yet again. His time here is very overrated by some.
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Same with Keane, some people are very selective as to who's cock they like to suck without looking at the bigger picture.
 
I have SAFCEE so luckily can watch most of the games live.

My view is that the main problem with the team is shape, and game control. We can score enough goals, but often lack a solid platform to launch bigger wins from or grind it out for a 1-0. Not sure there's a plan in place to address this basic issue.

What BSA brings to any team (usually after a few weeks of drilling it into them) is that stability, which ultimately leads to better results.

Is it pretty always, no.
Is it effective always, yes.
Would it get us out of this division. Yes - as it would address the major flaw in our approach right now.

IMHO.

PS. Don't forget this is the manager who turned Patrick Van Aanholt into a credible defender. Purely by fixing his positioning.
 
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Macho said:
Same with Keane, some people are very selective as to who's cock they like to suck without looking at the bigger picture.
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Keane played to win. Sam doesn’t always, for me it makes a huge difference. We keep bringing managers in, who are scared to get beaten, they should only be concerned about winning. Playing for a draw is nonsensical and has put us and will keep us firmly where we are.
robbied1 said:
I enjoyed his football, he signed Kirchoff so well done to Sam for that one. The football under poet was crap for most parts, with the odd decent performance. You could say poet got luckier with the great escape. All I'm saying is under Sam it felt less of a fluke
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I’m not convinced. But I guess we don’t always see things the same way. We played some decent football under Poyet in that run in, but I think he possibly did hit lucky in that he had to play certain players. I just feel the performance against Everton made some think Sam was the Messiah.
 
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This clamour for Big Sam and Roy keane is really doing my nut.

Imagine if Stoke got taken over like us. Do you think their fans would be pining for Tony Pulis or Mark Hughes to come back? Cos that's what our fans are doing right now.
 
hawaymadlad said:
Keane played to win. Sam doesn’t always, for me it makes a huge difference. We keep bringing managers in, who are scared to get beaten, they should only be concerned about winning. Playing for a draw is nonsensical and has put us and will keep us firmly where we are.

I’m not convinced. But I guess we don’t always see things the same way. We played some decent football under Poyet in that run in, but I think he possibly did hit lucky in that he had to play certain players. I just feel the performance against Everton made some think Sam was the Messiah.
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Keane has a stinking attitude which has no place in the modern game. He might have succeeded in the 70s and 80s but not now. Other than his stint he when he was allowed to play fantasy football he has failed miserably everywhere else.

He also walked out on us.
 
DJ Doubt said:
This clamour for Big Sam and Roy keane is really doing my nut.

Imagine if Stoke got taken over like us. Do you think their fans would be pining for Tony Pulis or Mark Hughes to come back? Cos that's what our fans are doing right now.
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If they were in League one and under a shite out of his depth manager from scottish lower leagues who can't get them out of there, they would pray for Pulis.
 
Macho said:
Keane has a stinking attitude which has no place in the modern game. He might have succeeded in the 70s and 80s but not now. Other than his stint he when he was allowed to play fantasy football he has failed miserably everywhere else.

He also walked out on us.
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He helped Ireland to the last 16of euros
 
I can understand those not willing to entertain Allardyce because of his ‘Panorama’ shenanigans but looked at on a purely football basis it’s a no brainer if there’s even a glimmer of a chance we could get him back.

He’d organise the defence- I reckon he’d have us keeping clean sheets regularly within a few weeks and without any additions I think he’d get this squad up automatically. Given a few bob in January we’d walk the league.

Like it or not as SAFC that’s what we should be doing in this tin pot division.
 
Macho said:
Keane has a stinking attitude which has no place in the modern game. He might have succeeded in the 70s and 80s but not now. Other than his stint he when he was allowed to play fantasy football he has failed miserably everywhere else.

He also walked out on us.
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He walked out on Short.
 
Alfa said:
I can understand those not willing to entertain Allardyce because of his ‘Panorama’ shenanigans but looked at on a purely football basis it’s a no brainer if there’s even a glimmer of a chance we could get him back.

He’d organise the defence- I reckon he’d have us keeping clean sheets regularly within a few weeks and without any additions I think he’d get this squad up automatically. Given a few bob in January we’d walk the league.

Like it or not as SAFC that’s what we should be doing in this tin pot division.
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He didn’t have us keeping clean sheets in weeks the first time. In fact he bleated on for weeks about how important it was to do so. If you play for a draw, clean sheets are important, but not as important as scoring goals when you play to win.
His negative beliefs and many of the older generation of manager is helping to kill football.
If anyone gets a few bob in January we should walk the league.
 

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