Benitez Future In Doubt Over Failure to Secure Key Signings


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Could we not just have a 'All things Newcastle' thread so the Sunderland board isn't clustered Newcastle topics - Just a suggestion like.

I've tried suggesting that, 1 thread for each topic ie like newcastle or moyes or xx player. so we'll be easily go back to day 1 and see what was said when moyes signed etc etc

I know people don't want to click thru 100's of number's, there's a plugin for firefox that makes it easy

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-Gb/firefox/addon/nextplease/

NextPlease! is a highly configurable extension that allows you to jump to next and previous links on search results pages, like Google, Yahoo, Ebay, Amazon, and many other sites. NextPlease! can be triggered via keyboard shortcuts, toolbar buttons, mouse gestures, and the context menu.

i can click ctrl + left arrow to got to next number in thread / ctrl + down arrow to get to last numbered page in thread.
 
Or being over ambitious and overlooking the fact that players no longer see newcastle as an attractive club. Swansea are beating you to signatures these days.

Expectations need to be lowered but when there's talk in the local press of top 6 finishes, things will never change. It only helps but add unnecessary pressure to the situation.

You'd have been better off picking up 2-3 of the best young championship players. Spending decent whack on a centre half, central midfielder and striker if your budget allowed it. There's still lots of time but the more the media dwell on your inability to bring in players, the more difficult it will be to sign players that are value for money as the selling clubs will realise how desperate you are.

The same will happen to us if we leave things too late.
Shhhh too much information marra
 
agree- get the main core/spine players in, and use frees/prospects/loans for the fillers later

not worth moaning about 7m for an m'vila , then ending up spending
13m n dong
5m mcdair
stevie p wages
Gibson for whatever he cost

later!

Exactly, secure the cornerstones of your team first. Everything else can come after that.
 
Exactly, secure the cornerstones of your team first. Everything else can come after that.

deffo

under shit for brains moyes we went from a midfield of cattermole, kirchoff, m'vila

to

o shea
rodwell
Gooch

by the first game of next season.

Now we had a good 2nd half to the previous season, but we knew that:

M'Vila was essential purchase
Cattermole was on the wane and needed upgrading on, and injury prone
Kirchoff was injury prone.
Rodwell was shite
Larsson past his best

So had this been addressed ASAP when the window opened

We would have taken M'Vila ASAP even if we slightly overpaid.
Signed another decent grafter who would be likely to stay fit all season who was better than rodwell, seb at least, giving us a pool of yann- new guy- Cattermole- kirchoff- with Seb as backup and Rodwell peddled or frozen out.

So to go into the early part of the season with an old centre back, a proven curse and a young kid making his debut instantly set us off on the wrong foot, and will always make me angry at the stupidity.

See also, knocking back yedlin for 4m, getting manquillo, love in both of whom even WORSE than jones , who was dropped halfway through the previous season.


  • 1Mannone
  • 22LoveBooked at 67mins
  • 23Koné
  • 4Kaboul
  • 3van Aanholt
  • 8Rodwell
  • 16O'Shea
  • 14WatmoreSubstituted forJanuzajat 64'minutes
  • 9Borini
  • 46GoochBooked at 42minsSubstituted forKhazriat 65'minutes
  • 18DefoeSubstituted forMcNairat 83'minutes
Substitutes
  • 5Djilobodji
  • 10Khazri
  • 13Pickford
  • 17Lens
  • 19McNair
  • 29Asoro
  • 44Januzaj
 
deffo

under shit for brains moyes we went from a midfield of cattermole, kirchoff, m'vila

to

o shea
rodwell
Gooch

by the first game of next season.

Now we had a good 2nd half to the previous season, but we knew that:

M'Vila was essential purchase
Cattermole was on the wane and needed upgrading on, and injury prone
Kirchoff was injury prone.
Rodwell was shite
Larsson past his best

So had this been addressed ASAP when the window opened

We would have taken M'Vila ASAP even if we slightly overpaid.
Signed another decent grafter who would be likely to stay fit all season who was better than rodwell, seb at least, giving us a pool of yann- new guy- Cattermole- kirchoff- with Seb as backup and Rodwell peddled or frozen out.

So to go into the early part of the season with an old centre back, a proven curse and a young kid making his debut instantly set us off on the wrong foot, and will always make me angry at the stupidity.

See also, knocking back yedlin for 4m, getting manquillo, love in both of whom even WORSE than jones , who was dropped halfway through the previous season.


  • 1Mannone
  • 22LoveBooked at 67mins
  • 23Koné
  • 4Kaboul
  • 3van Aanholt
  • 8Rodwell
  • 16O'Shea
  • 14WatmoreSubstituted forJanuzajat 64'minutes
  • 9Borini
  • 46GoochBooked at 42minsSubstituted forKhazriat 65'minutes
  • 18DefoeSubstituted forMcNairat 83'minutes
Substitutes
  • 5Djilobodji
  • 10Khazri
  • 13Pickford
  • 17Lens
  • 19McNair
  • 29Asoro
  • 44Januzaj


Just had a flashback to us being on top at 1-1 and he took defoe off, our only outlet replaced with the terrified looking and painfully slow centre back mcnair, as an extra defender conceding the entire possession to a talented city side, with mcnair netting an og winner.

f***ing moyes man what an absolutely useless tw@t
 
deffo

under shit for brains moyes we went from a midfield of cattermole, kirchoff, m'vila

to

o shea
rodwell
Gooch

by the first game of next season.

Now we had a good 2nd half to the previous season, but we knew that:

M'Vila was essential purchase
Cattermole was on the wane and needed upgrading on, and injury prone
Kirchoff was injury prone.
Rodwell was shite
Larsson past his best

So had this been addressed ASAP when the window opened

We would have taken M'Vila ASAP even if we slightly overpaid.
Signed another decent grafter who would be likely to stay fit all season who was better than rodwell, seb at least, giving us a pool of yann- new guy- Cattermole- kirchoff- with Seb as backup and Rodwell peddled or frozen out.

So to go into the early part of the season with an old centre back, a proven curse and a young kid making his debut instantly set us off on the wrong foot, and will always make me angry at the stupidity.

See also, knocking back yedlin for 4m, getting manquillo, love in both of whom even WORSE than jones , who was dropped halfway through the previous season.


  • 1Mannone
  • 22LoveBooked at 67mins
  • 23Koné
  • 4Kaboul
  • 3van Aanholt
  • 8Rodwell
  • 16O'Shea
  • 14WatmoreSubstituted forJanuzajat 64'minutes
  • 9Borini
  • 46GoochBooked at 42minsSubstituted forKhazriat 65'minutes
  • 18DefoeSubstituted forMcNairat 83'minutes
Substitutes
  • 5Djilobodji
  • 10Khazri
  • 13Pickford
  • 17Lens
  • 19McNair
  • 29Asoro
  • 44Januzaj
Infuriating isn't it? How often fans can see the problem and have a reasonable idea of how to fix it. Yet managers and board members who're paid a lot of money seem oblivious. You could see that M'villa was interested, available for a reasonable price, and would make a big difference to your side's chances of survival. Why the fuck he wasn't signed permanently I'll never understand.

Similarly when we were in the Europa League (12/13), it was clear we'd need a much deeper squad, so in the summer we released/sold 21 players (including Fraser Forster for £2m) and signed 3 reserves and one Vurnon Anita... and that was that. We were on 20pts by the time the January window opened.
 
Infuriating isn't it? How often fans can see the problem and have a reasonable idea of how to fix it. Yet managers and board members who're paid a lot of money seem oblivious. You could see that M'villa was interested, available for a reasonable price, and would make a big difference to your side's chances of survival. Why the fuck he wasn't signed permanently I'll never understand.

Similarly when we were in the Europa League (12/13), it was clear we'd need a much deeper squad, so in the summer we released/sold 21 players (including Fraser Forster for £2m) and signed 3 reserves and one Vurnon Anita... and that was that. We were on 20pts by the time the January window opened.

haha aye that was a staggering one.

of the 21 , best, lovenkrands, Guthrie , alan smith were the senior ones, so even if they matched their wages with new 'fillers' it could have helped

Then by tha January he had to splurge 20m to stay up- had he got those players in the summer it could have turned out a lot better.

reidy was the same- 2nd in the league late jan 2 seasons in a row, bought no one of note, finished 7th twice, refused intertoto entry twice,a life time of 'yal never play in yoorap' for ever

haha aye that was a staggering one.

of the 21 , best, lovenkrands, Guthrie , alan smith were the senior ones, so even if they matched their wages with new 'fillers' it could have helped

Then by tha January he had to splurge 20m to stay up- had he got those players in the summer it could have turned out a lot better.

reidy was the same- 2nd in the league late jan 2 seasons in a row, bought no one of note, finished 7th twice, refused intertoto entry twice,a life time of 'yal never play in yoorap' for ever

Two things that are v hard to get in the premier league for most teams are:

a good spine to the team

momentum

Newcastle obv had that finishing 5th, so from a business point of view, I don't get why Ashley was frugal that summer.

Re sunderland, we had momentum under Reid, and under Allardyce on a lower scale, Moyes totally destroying it with help from Ellis- good feeling from the fans and a buzz makes it easier for new players too than coming in when everyones jeering, booing and the other players are shot to bits
 
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haha aye that was a staggering one.

of the 21 , best, lovenkrands, Guthrie , alan smith were the senior ones, so even if they matched their wages with new 'fillers' it could have helped

Then by tha January he had to splurge 20m to stay up- had he got those players in the summer it could have turned out a lot better.

reidy was the same- 2nd in the league late jan 2 seasons in a row, bought no one of note, finished 7th twice, refused intertoto entry twice,a life time of 'yal never play in yoorap' for ever



Two things that are v hard to get in the premier league for most teams are:

a good spine to the team

momentum

Newcastle obv had that finishing 5th, so from a business point of view, I don't get why Ashley was frugal that summer.

Re sunderland, we had momentum under Reid, and under Allardyce on a lower scale, Moyes totally destroying it with help from Ellis- good feeling from the fans and a buzz makes it easier for new players too than coming in when everyones jeering, booing and the other players are shot to bits

Think it was Ferguson who spoke about strengthening from a position of power.

Allardyce was rough for you because you had the momentum and the basis of a decent squad. Then something out of ordinary happens and suddenly all that strength seems to evaporate. 2 or 3 bad decisions and suddenly you're in a tailspin. Happened before with Bent and Gyan. Things looked rosy, then something out of the ordinary happens and suddenly you're in trouble. Not necessarily bad choices by the board that lead to regression, more unusual events that weren't dealt with wisely.

For us it was failure to identify which direction momentum is taking us. It was obvious we were in trouble when we went down in 2009, and the wrong decisions were made too late. Obvious we could secure midtable/top half with the right recruitment in 2012, but we failed to buy early and wisely. Obvious we were going down in 16 but the decision to boot McClaren came too late. And so on.
 
Think it was Ferguson who spoke about strengthening from a position of power.

Allardyce was rough for you because you had the momentum and the basis of a decent squad. Then something out of ordinary happens and suddenly all that strength seems to evaporate. 2 or 3 bad decisions and suddenly you're in a tailspin. Happened before with Bent and Gyan. Things looked rosy, then something out of the ordinary happens and suddenly you're in trouble. Not necessarily bad choices by the board that lead to regression, more unusual events that weren't dealt with wisely.

For us it was failure to identify which direction momentum is taking us. It was obvious we were in trouble when we went down in 2009, and the wrong decisions were made too late. Obvious we could secure midtable/top half with the right recruitment in 2012, but we failed to buy early and wisely. Obvious we were going down in 16 but the decision to boot McClaren came too late. And so on.

maybe cos they backed him so well that season, and the 30m in January or whatever was spent on saviet, shelve and townsend they thought would still escape.
 
I've tried suggesting that, 1 thread for each topic ie like newcastle or moyes or xx player. so we'll be easily go back to day 1 and see what was said when moyes signed etc etc

I know people don't want to click thru 100's of number's, there's a plugin for firefox that makes it easy

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-Gb/firefox/addon/nextplease/

NextPlease! is a highly configurable extension that allows you to jump to next and previous links on search results pages, like Google, Yahoo, Ebay, Amazon, and many other sites. NextPlease! can be triggered via keyboard shortcuts, toolbar buttons, mouse gestures, and the context menu.

i can click ctrl + left arrow to got to next number in thread / ctrl + down arrow to get to last numbered page in thread.

That's how Newcastle Online is set out it's far far easier having 1 thread for topics rather than numerous threads on the same thing
 
That's how Newcastle Online is set out it's far far easier having 1 thread for topics rather than numerous threads on the same thing

I know I like it , all the summer transfer rumours/ players linked with in 1 thread. etc etc far more organized. guess people like to create a thread in "there" name, how can we expect safc to be organized when we can't even organize a forum :eek::p
 
maybe cos they backed him so well that season, and the 30m in January or whatever was spent on saviet, shelve and townsend they thought would still escape.

I think they gambled on McClaren getting an upsurge after the window, when that didn't materialise they still didn't act quickly enough. They should have pulled the trigger quicker than they did, 5 games when by without them getting rid.

To be honest, they should have pulled the trigger after Crystal Palace destroyed us 5-1 in November. Give the new bloke a month to work what he needs, give him the January window, hope that the new manager bounce happens during a busy period to exaggerate its impact.

Short would have been forgiven for getting rid of Moyes after he'd overseen 10 games without a win.

fwiw I think Moyes could recover, but he needs to fall in love with football again. Throughout his tenure as Sunderland manager he looked a beaten man. It's like your mate who says he wants a lass, but mopes about his house instead of getting trim, and going out. Guarantee Moyes has clicked on one of those "Girls in your local area" adverts at least once. Probably after the Bournemouth result.

That's how Newcastle Online is set out it's far far easier having 1 thread for topics rather than numerous threads on the same thing
Same at TT, one transfers thread and if the player signs, he gets his own thread.
 
Statute's been commishunned by the Geordie nayshun to commemorate the Rafagashun.......
Should keep a medium size steel mill and a couple of thousand welders busy for a year or two. Thing is if it's going to be life size is there a dry dock anywhere big enough to build it ?

Mag in pub reckons he's walked
Horse pap. Everyone knows he wobbles.
 
I know I like it , all the summer transfer rumours/ players linked with in 1 thread. etc etc far more organized. guess people like to create a thread in "there" name, how can we expect safc to be organized when we can't even organize a forum :eek::p

Do you have OCD by any chance?
 
Some good sensible posts on this thread today. Well reasoned intelligent debate, without the usual petty back and forths over trivial things.
Well played everybody.
 
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