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mackembhoy said:
Has it? Have England won the world cup and Tri series thanks to bell's heroics?

Oh wait he was playing a in glorified club cricket match batting against arguably only one international class bowler.

Most of their team haven't even played first class cricket yet.(or very little)
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Wind your neck in sonny.

187 against any opposition is a great one day score.
 

mackembhoy said:
Has it? Have England won the world cup and Tri series thanks to bell's heroics?

Oh wait he was playing a in glorified club cricket match batting against arguably only one international class bowler(cummins is 21 has looked canny when I've seen him)

Most of their team haven't even played first class cricket yet.(or very little)
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Not true, few decent bowlers in there, there was a big call for 1 of the lads to be in the ODI side, can't remember his name :lol:, but I am not making it up honest

mackembhoy said:
Great knock but hardly a bowling line up to scare you. Even chris rogers had a bowl.

Also Jordan went for over 8 an over against the part timers the other day. Gone for over 11 today.
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Honestly mate, I can't believe he is there, he is simply not good enough as a bowler, he is a bits and pieces cricketer, bowls a bit, hits a bit, good slip fielder

He should be nowhere near the side, and can't believe he got a central contract

Sound like a broken record, but Stokes should be in the squad, doesn't have to start but what an option to have in there.
 
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Maxwell and Cummins have both played test and one day cricket for Australia. Maxwell is unlucky to be around at the same time as James Faulkner, he'd walk into any other one day international team.

Behrendorff also a very good bowler and has played for Australia A.

Whenever somebody unpopular has a good knock, its always against poor bowling on a dead wicket!
 
smoker said:
Maxwell and Cummins have both played test and one day cricket for Australia. Maxwell is unlucky to be around at the same time as James Faulkner, he'd walk into any other one day international team.

Behrendorff also a very good bowler and has played for Australia A.

Whenever somebody unpopular has a good knock, its always against poor bowling on a dead wicket!
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23 overs were bowled by players with 5 first class matches between them and Rogers bowled 2 overs so it is a very inexperienced attack to put it lightly.

Not sure what your point is about Faulkner and Maxwell. They've both played more than 30 ODIs having made their debuts around about 2 years ago. One bowls off-spin and one's a quick and I thought Maxwell's predominantly picked for his batting anyway.

A good warm up for England, but let's not get carried away, eh?
 
mikemanc said:
23 overs were bowled by players with 5 first class matches between them and Rogers bowled 2 overs so it is a very inexperienced attack to put it lightly.

Not sure what your point is about Faulkner and Maxwell. They've both played more than 30 ODIs having made their debuts around about 2 years ago. One bowls off-spin and one's a quick and I thought Maxwell's predominantly picked for his batting anyway.

A good warm up for England, but let's not get carried away, eh?
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Correct Maxwell is a part timer and is picked for his batting and so plays middle order. Faulkner is a genuine all rounder and bats 7/8.
 
smoker said:
Maxwell and Cummins have both played test and one day cricket for Australia. Maxwell is unlucky to be around at the same time as James Faulkner, he'd walk into any other one day international team.

Behrendorff also a very good bowler and has played for Australia A.

Whenever somebody unpopular has a good knock, its always against poor bowling on a dead wicket!
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Out first ball today, tit! :lol:
 
First game of proper cricket and the predictable failure. England are stuck in a time warp whilst other sides embrace the modern game and the best players to compete in it.
 
smoker said:
He bowled horribly against India, typical to find his form against us!
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In the first he did, but didn't you see the last test? He was quality, had the ball reversing on Day 5. Was there best bowler.

Hit and miss but has natural talent,

Sweeper said:
First game of proper cricket and the predictable failure. England are stuck in a time warp whilst other sides embrace the modern game and the best players to compete in it.
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It has fuck all to do with that. What time warp? What do you think we were trying to do?

We lost 2 in the first 3 balls, very hard to recover from that, nothing to do with mentality, it can happen.

It is a bit of myth that we aren't aggressive, we don't bat out the overs, the problem is exactly the opposite of what you are trying to make out.
 
johnson said:
In the first he did, but didn't you see the last test? He was quality, had the ball reversing on Day 5. Was there best bowler.

Hit and miss but has natural talent,



It has fuck all to do with that. What time warp? What do you think we were trying to do?

We lost 2 in the first 3 balls, very hard to recover from that, nothing to do with mentality, it can happen.

It is a bit of myth that we aren't aggressive, we don't bat out the overs, the problem is exactly the opposite of what you are trying to make out.
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Really?! The fact that we don't bat out our overs is a problem yes, but it merely compounds the fact that we play a drab, uninteresting brand of cricket and we seem hell bent on tailoring selection to keep it that way. The decision to play Bell instead of Hales is astonishing. The decision not to pick the best English ODI player of our generation is cowardly. We can argue about the omission of Stokes and a few others until we're blue in the face. English ODI cricket is appalling and it's at least partly self-inflicted.

Safc_Luke said:
Can we give him this tri series to prove himself before writing him off?

Hales isn't much better, 20/20 slogger.
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He isn't a player that is new to the scene and needs time to prove himself. He's been showing everyone what he can (and can't) do for 10 years.
 
Sweeper said:
Really?! The fact that we don't bat out our overs is a problem yes, but it merely compounds the fact that we play a drab, uninteresting brand of cricket and we seem hell bent on tailoring selection to keep it that way. The decision to play Bell instead of Hales is astonishing. The decision not to pick the best English ODI player of our generation is cowardly. We can argue about the omission of Stokes and a few others until we're blue in the face. English ODI cricket is appalling and it's at least partly self-inflicted.



He isn't a player that is new to the scene and needs time to prove himself. He's been showing everyone what he can (and can't) do for 10 years.
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Bell is absolutely the right pick, he's a class act

Drab cricket is not the issue, bowled out in 10 of our last 13 innings I think, it's fuck all to do with style

We could actually do with Trott, we miss him more than anything

You are way off here, we were 0-2 after 3 balls, absolutely nothing to do with style of cricket this at all
 
johnson said:
Bell is absolutely the right pick, he's a class act

Drab cricket is not the issue, bowled out in 10 of our last 13 innings I think, it's fuck all to do with style

We could actually do with Trott, we miss him more than anything

You are way off here, we were 0-2 after 3 balls, absolutely nothing to do with style of cricket this at all
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Today might be down to a poor start but the general decline in our ODI play is down to our lack of firepower at the top of the order and our inability to work the ball round in the middle. The first one makes the second a lot more difficult, by putting pressure on th middle order. Bell may well be a class act when he's in top form playing test cricket, but he does not consistently score fast enough to open the batting and help the team move forward in ODIs.
 
Sweeper said:
Today might be down to a poor start but the general decline in our ODI play is down to our lack of firepower at the top of the order and our inability to work the ball round in the middle. The first one makes the second a lot more difficult, by putting pressure on th middle order. Bell may well be a class act when he's in top form playing test cricket, but he does not consistently score fast enough to open the batting and help the team move forward in ODIs.
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I do agree with your first few points, but we have got to carried away with that idea. Let us bat the overs first.

I still think the they have the right 2 at the top of the order, Bell got a first baller, and he may not be prolific, but he averaged high 40s in Oz in ODIs last year and high 40s the year before in NZ, he has to play.

There a few people under performing, Bopara shouldn't be playing IMO, and Buttler has scored one 50 since he got that 100 in England last year. Not saying he should be dropped obviously, but it easy to blame the usual suspects, when some of the new lads are not performing well enough.
 
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