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Heard that before though. His name was Danny Collins and where is he now? I got accused of the same 'blind spot' about him.

I just don't rate defenders who haven't got a grasp on the basics of defending. I don't see what is so unreasonable about that.

Ha'way man, he DOES know how to defend. Unfortunately, he is playing on the wrong side and is too slow. Also, full back is an attacking position now and he is not able to attack - again, because he is too slow and not tricky enough. He's a canny back up though.
 
Under-rated player and I hope he is here for many more years

If he's injured still play him - it couldn't make him any slower

How can he be under-rated when a lot of people on here think he's a good player.

He is a very poor player - but under-rated - never :lol::lol::lol:
 
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If we want to push on under O'Neill then getting Bardsley out of the first team has to be a priority. He has no positional sense, has no idea how to defend against people running at him, goes missing when we are defending set-pieces, slows any attacking impetus we get on the left wing and continually blames other for his own mistakes. That comment about us fans expecting to win the league shows how out of touch he is.

The sooner he is either out of the first team or the club the better.

Nigh on near perfect post like.

Is that the Chris Samba who was being man marked by Wes Brown at the set piece? As the ball landed at Samba's feet (great 1st touch mind) Brown inexplicably backed off and IMO dropped Bardsley in the shit as it wasn't his man. OK perhaps he could have done better but you can't exactly dive into tackles in the box these days!

Was that Wes Brown who let a centre back piss all over him and get a shot in? If it was he was looking more white than normal.
 
He is shite. Always has been and always will be.

Very succint and to the point.

Its funny the bardo apologists getting their knickers in a twist that their hero is starting to lose his tarnish with some supporters.

Having read this thread and the other thread. Im of the thought that the Bardo apologists are in the minority. Chest thumping small minded people who would'nt know what a real fullback looks like.
 
Very succint and to the point.

Its funny the bardo apologists getting their knickers in a twist that their hero is starting to lose his tarnish with some supporters.

Having read this thread and the other thread. Im of the thought that the Bardo apologists are in the minority. Chest thumping small minded people who would'nt know what a real fullback looks like.

Nobody has said he is a world beater. He does his job pretty much better than the other 19 full backs in the bottom half teams. Name me one who is better from the teams finishing 10/11 -20th last season.
 
Can't believe the likes of Newcastle sign Davide Santon while we're still stuck with Phil. #sortitoutmartin :neutral:
 
and hence he went to a top 6 side.

face facts for sides like us, bardsley is as good as it gets so get off the lads back

I agree that for the best part most of the fullbacks playing for bottom half of the premiership sides are in that bracket. You can look at the likes of Simpson, Steinsson, Robinson, Reid, Givet, Salgado (2001 version) the Stoke fullbacks are all bog standard IMO - if we swapped any of these players for bardsley we would be no better or worse.

Having said that I would rather have any of Brown, OShea or Richardson playing in the full back positions for us.
 
Very succint and to the point.

Its funny the bardo apologists getting their knickers in a twist that their hero is starting to lose his tarnish with some supporters.

Having read this thread and the other thread. Im of the thought that the Bardo apologists are in the minority. Chest thumping small minded people who would'nt know what a real fullback looks like.

Daft as a brush yay like.
 
Very succint and to the point.

Its funny the bardo apologists getting their knickers in a twist that their hero is starting to lose his tarnish with some supporters.

Having read this thread and the other thread. Im of the thought that the Bardo apologists are in the minority. Chest thumping small minded people who would'nt know what a real fullback looks like.

What do you mean by 'losing his tarnish'? This implies he's getting more appealing / better. Is this what you meant or did you intend to use the word lustre, but didn't know how to spell it? Maybe you should have gone for gloss or sheen instead.

I agree that Bardo apologists are in the minority, I'm not even sure there are any. I don't recall ever meeting anybody who was small minded and thumped their chest (apart from Tarzan and King Kong, but they don't support us, so probably aren't relevant).

As an aside, I don't even know who're playing at full back for Real Madrid at the moment, or Betis, or Zaragoza for that matter, so on this point, you are correct, I don't know what Real fullbacks look like.
 
I agree that for the best part most of the fullbacks playing for bottom half of the premiership sides are in that bracket. You can look at the likes of Simpson, Steinsson, Robinson, Reid, Givet, Salgado (2001 version) the Stoke fullbacks are all bog standard IMO - if we swapped any of these players for bardsley we would be no better or worse.

Having said that I would rather have any of Brown, OShea or Richardson playing in the full back positions for us.

Fair point
 
I agree that for the best part most of the fullbacks playing for bottom half of the premiership sides are in that bracket. You can look at the likes of Simpson, Steinsson, Robinson, Reid, Givet, Salgado (2001 version) the Stoke fullbacks are all bog standard IMO - if we swapped any of these players for bardsley we would be no better or worse.

Having said that I would rather have any of Brown, OShea or Richardson playing in the full back positions for us.

Stoke don't have full backs, full stop. They play with four centre backs. Ultimately, I think we'll have a similar sort of line up across the back (as you pointed out IIRC).

The other full backs you point out are deliberately selected as quite poor ones, imo. For example, there are others who would improve our side who play for sides outside of the top 6. Baines, Warnock, Luke Young, Martin Olsson, Angel Rangel etc
 
Stoke don't have full backs, full stop. They play with four centre backs. Ultimately, I think we'll have a similar sort of line up across the back (as you pointed out IIRC).

The other full backs you point out are deliberately selected as quite poor ones, imo. For example, there are others who would improve our side who play for sides outside of the top 6. Baines, Warnock, Luke Young, Martin Olsson, Angel Rangel etc

I`ll give you Warnock and Baines but I`m not having the others like :lol:

Plus we finished 10th, we are trying to break into the little mini level above us, which includes Everton and Villa. We would be a step down for them players, in the case of Baines.....a massive step down.

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I also said sides finishing 10-20th last season. Enrique accepted...bardsley is the best one imo
 
I`ll give you Warnock and Baines but I`m not having the others like :lol:

Plus we finished 10th, we are trying to break into the little mini level above us, which includes Everton and Villa. We would be a step down for them players, in the case of Baines.....a massive step down.

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I also said sides finishing 10-20th last season. Enrique accepted...bardsley is the best one imo

He isn't better than Luke Young. Rangel is a better footballer than him and as we've seen recently the Bardsley is good at defending argument doesn't really hold up. He's not that solid. Olsson looks absolute quality to me. Good young player.
 
Accept I havent remotely criticised you for commenting on errors Bardsley has made -. In fact I agree with you on them, like you he certainly wouldnt be in the starting line up for me and like you I would sell and look to improve.

However unlike you I wouldnt have the arrogance to claim that an international and premiership full back doesnt know the first thing about defending. Its a ridiculous thing to claim.

When did I say that? My point has been that he can't defend properly on a consistent enough basis, not that he doesn't know how to.

Ever since you weighed into this thread, not with a point about Phil Bardsley but a point about me and my lack of objectivity, it has been pretty clear that you had already decided to commit yourself to dismissing my opinion rather than promoting one of your own. If you are going to condemn me for my words, at least have the decency to do it for words that are actually my own rather than ones that you have put in my mouth.
 
When did I say that? My point has been that he can't defend properly on a consistent enough basis, not that he doesn't know how to.

Ever since you weighed into this thread, not with a point about Phil Bardsley but a point about me and my lack of objectivity, it has been pretty clear that you had already decided to commit yourself to dismissing my opinion rather than promoting one of your own. If you are going to condemn me for my words, at least have the decency to do it for words that are actually my own rather than ones that you have put in my mouth.

Errrr.....I realise that this is getting into semantics and various comments are not meant to be absolutes, but I quote (you):

"I just don't rate defenders who haven't got a grasp on the basics of defending".

Now, I suppose the "basics" could be the second or third thng about defending........
 
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