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Instances like that happen in every game, he has no idea how to defend. Anyone who thinks Bardsley is anything but a piss poor defender simply aren't paying attention.

Give O'Neill a ring - if he felt Bardsley was 'piss poor' he wouldnt play him. He would choose to play Richardson there or Gardner or Louis Laing in fact anyone in the squad that is remotely above 'piss poor'.

As usual those wanking over Bardsley and those saying hes utter shite typify this board. Hes a moderate player that would play plenty of games as a squad player for most botton half teams in this division.
 
How can I debate with someone who has made his mind up and backs his opinion up with tripe like always shins the ball off the pitch? Can't tackle etc. I saw 2 tackles on the highlights at the weekend which showed no more than 10 minutes of the game :neutral:

Bardsley is a good honest pro and on current form easily a better bet than O'Shea at both full back positions. He got sent off for a stupid stamp that I'm sure he'll learn from but that apart is having his usual steady season.

His shooting this season has been atrocious. He shins them into the crowd. That is not tripe. For the record, I didn't even say that he can't tackle. I said he can't defend properly. But since you bring it up, he couldn't even tackle Chris Samba ffs when it actually mattered. Or is that 'tripe' too?

And you have the temerity to accuse ME of making my mind up and sticking to it stubbornly no matter what I see. Crikey.

Give O'Neill a ring - if he felt Bardsley was 'piss poor' he wouldnt play him. He would choose to play Richardson there or Gardner or Louis Laing in fact anyone in the squad that is remotely above 'piss poor'.

As usual those wanking over Bardsley and those saying hes utter shite typify this board. Hes a moderate player that would play plenty of games as a squad player for most botton half teams in this division.

What qualifies you to be able to judge that? ;)
 
How could you possibly do that? In the cold light of day for a bloke who has never kicked a ball at any standard to say that a fella with international caps, hundreds of premiership games behind him, along with a plethora of medals has made costly mistakes is hilarious. :lol:

What knowledge do you have to judge that?

;)

Anyone can recognise an obvious error - thats a mile off feeling you are qualified to say an international footballer chosen to play regularly for Sunderland by keane, Bruce and chosen by O'Neill is incapable of defending.

You shot your load too early ;)

You are obsessed about Bardsley - for every error my guess is that you have the minute each one occured.
 
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His shooting this season has been atrocious. He shins them into the crowd. That is not tripe. For the record, I didn't even say that he can't tackle. I said he can't defend properly. But since you bring it up, he couldn't even tackle Chris Samba ffs when it actually mattered. Or is that 'tripe' too?

And you have the temerity to accuse ME of making my mind up and sticking to it stubbornly no matter what I see. Crikey.

Is that the Chris Samba who was being man marked by Wes Brown at the set piece? As the ball landed at Samba's feet (great 1st touch mind) Brown inexplicably backed off and IMO dropped Bardsley in the shit as it wasn't his man. OK perhaps he could have done better but you can't exactly dive into tackles in the box these days!
 
Anyone can recognise an obvious error - thats a mile off feeling you are qualified to say an international footballer chosen to play regularly for Sunderland by keane, Bruce and chosen by O'Neill is incapable of defending.

You shot your load too early ;)

Here we go... you throw a double standard in here and then claim you being above such things makes your opinion on Bardsley better than that of anyone who doesn't share it.

Hypocrisy, in a word.
 
One goal v mags Mingo came out flapping like a tart and Bardsley did what any defender should do, covered behind the absent keeper on the line. The only reason I know that is because I argued the point on here at the time. The others I really can't recall. 1 goal against Wolves Elmo made no effort at all to close down and block the cross, again I can't vouch for the other goal?

Wes Brown has made several awful basic errors that have lead almost directly to goals this season. I think he's decent but needs to cut these errosrs out of his game.

You are wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BddTrOgkM-U&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Watch the goals, he leaves Nolan unmarked for no reason as the ball comes in, before Mignolet has a chance to flap.

He's not good enough and is a liability that needs to be removed from the starting line-up.
 
Is that the Chris Samba who was being man marked by Wes Brown at the set piece? As the ball landed at Samba's feet (great 1st touch mind) Brown inexplicably backed off and IMO dropped Bardsley in the shit as it wasn't his man. OK perhaps he could have done better but you can't exactly dive into tackles in the box these days!

No. Samba was pulling onto Bardsley all game on set pieces, and rightly so as the weakest in the air of our defenders. There was no man marking from the deep set pieces like there was on corners. That much was apparent.

Brown's only involvement really was thinking he could cut out a cross that he couldn't.
 
Give O'Neill a ring - if he felt Bardsley was 'piss poor' he wouldnt play him. He would choose to play Richardson there or Gardner or Louis Laing in fact anyone in the squad that is remotely above 'piss poor'.

As usual those wanking over Bardsley and those saying hes utter shite typify this board. Hes a moderate player that would play plenty of games as a squad player for most botton half teams in this division.

On 8 January 2007, Bardsley joined Aston Villa on loan until the end of the season and played his first Premiership game against Watford on 20 January. It was announced on 1 May that Bardsley would be returning to Manchester United when his loan deal with Villa ran out as manager Martin O'Neill did not want to make the move permanent.

Fingers crossed that O'Neill sees the same shit defender that he saw last time and more enlightened members of this board see now.
 
Is that the Chris Samba who was being man marked by Wes Brown at the set piece? As the ball landed at Samba's feet (great 1st touch mind) Brown inexplicably backed off and IMO dropped Bardsley in the shit as it wasn't his man. OK perhaps he could have done better but you can't exactly dive into tackles in the box these days!

Once the ball is on the grass, it then became the Jock's area to defend. Which he was incapable of.
He was a good player, and has done a steady job. Way overdue being replaced though.

Bardsley out!
 
Here we go... you throw a double standard in here and then claim you being above such things makes your opinion on Bardsley better than that of anyone who doesn't share it.

Hypocrisy, in a word.

Are you seriously saying recognising a glaring error on a football field like for example Brown against Wigan and a statement declaring an international a regular premiership footballer as being incapable of defending is one and the same thing?

You are full of your own self importance but only an idiot would state that even a sunday morning player was incapable of defending let alone a player that has performed for a succession of managers in one of the toughest leagues in the world.
 
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You are wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BddTrOgkM-U&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Watch the goals, he leaves Nolan unmarked for no reason as the ball comes in, before Mignolet has a chance to flap.

He's not good enough and is a liability that needs to be removed from the starting line-up.

No, you are wrong.

Replay 1st goal, Nolan, Bardsley side by side, Mingo then appears alongside. Bardsley assumes Mingo is going for the ball which is well over Nolan and backs away to cover the centre of the goal. Mingo changes mind, backs away then comes for a 2nd time when ball comes back towards Nolan. Mingo indecision IMO. If you're going to come you come and get the ball, not dummy your own defenders.

No. Samba was pulling onto Bardsley all game on set pieces, and rightly so as the weakest in the air of our defenders. There was no man marking from the deep set pieces like there was on corners. That much was apparent.

Brown's only involvement really was thinking he could cut out a cross that he couldn't.

It doesn't matter who Samba was pulling on to, he was being marked by Brown :lol:

If Brown was marking and defending properly he would have been no more than a yard away from Samba when he got the ball, end of.
 
Fingers crossed that O'Neill sees the same shit defender that he saw last time and more enlightened members of this board see now.

Hmm - its more likely that he sees Bardsley as a moderate player that can do a job for him in the short term before being replaced by someone better.

Because moderate is what he is.
 
Are you seriously saying recognising a glaring error on a football field like for example Brown against Wigan and a statement declaring an international a regular premiership footballer as being incapable of defending is one and the same thing?

You are full of your own self importance but only an idiot would state that even a sunday morning player was incapable of defending let along a player that has performed for a succession of managers in one of the toughest leagues in the world.

Here we go again. The personal abuse is rolled out rather than debating the actual issue. Saying someone is incapable of defending properly is a natural conclusion to witnessing an accumulation of glaring errors, so yes, it is exactly the same thing. I am just a little further down the path with it than you are.

I don't rate your little hero. There is no conspiracy. No obsession. No conceit. Actually, there is some conceit. I am a conceited person, so fuck, it doesn't change anything. Point is, there is nothing sinister going on here to allow you to happily dismiss an opinion you don't like as lacking objectivity. I simply don't rate Phil Bardsley, and for some reason that bothers you.

No, you are wrong.

Replay 1st goal, Nolan, Bardsley side by side, Mingo then appears alongside. Bardsley assumes Mingo is going for the ball which is well over Nolan and backs away to cover the centre of the goal. Mingo changes mind, backs away then comes for a 2nd time when ball comes back towards Nolan. Mingo indecision IMO. If you're going to come you come and get the ball, not dummy your own defenders.



It doesn't matter who Samba was pulling on to, he was being marked by Brown :lol:

If Brown was marking and defending properly he would have been no more than a yard away from Samba when he got the ball, end of.

Of course he wasn't being marked by Brown because there was no man marking involved. It was zonal, and Bardsley's responsibility to deal with it.
 
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No, you are wrong.

Replay 1st goal, Nolan, Bardsley side by side, Mingo then appears alongside. Bardsley assumes Mingo is going for the ball which is well over Nolan and backs away to cover the centre of the goal. Mingo changes mind, backs away then comes for a 2nd time when ball comes back towards Nolan. Mingo indecision IMO. If you're going to come you come and get the ball, not dummy your own defenders.

The ball hadn't come in before Bardsley had left Nolan unmarked, they were a yard or so inside the six yard box, in the middle of the goal, Mignolet had just taken up a normal goalkeeper's position to wait for the ball coming in.

Just like the Bolton incident which the Captain mentioned, people are so in love with Bardsley's 100% effort that they will blame anyone but him for his continual errors.
 
Here we go again. The personal abuse is rolled out rather than debating the actual issue. Saying someone is incapable of defending properly is a natural conclusion to witnessing an accumulation of glaring errors, so yes, it is exactly the same thing. I am just a little further down the path with it than you are.

I don't rate your little hero. There is no conspiracy. No obsession. No conceit. Actually, there is some conceit. I am a conceited person, so fuck, it doesn't change anything. Point is, there is nothing sinister going on here to allow you to happily dismiss an opinion you don't like as lacking objectivity. I simply don't rate Phil Bardsley, and for some reason that bothers you.



Of course he wasn't being marked by Brown because there was no man marking involved. It was zonal, and Bardsley's responsibility to deal with it.

I can honestly say that in all the time I have watched Sunderland I can never remember any manager use zonal marking. At least 99.99% of the time we man mark, ever player has man and marks him at every defensive set piece. Samba was Brown's man, we do not pass men on, we man mark, always have done.
 
Here we go again. The personal abuse is rolled out rather than debating the actual issue. Saying someone is incapable of defending properly is a natural conclusion to witnessing an accumulation of glaring errors, so yes, it is exactly the same thing. I am just a little further down the path with it than you are.

I don't rate your little hero. There is no conspiracy. No obsession. No conceit. Actually, there is some conceit. I am a conceited person, so fuck, it doesn't change anything. Point is, there is nothing sinister going on here to allow you to happily dismiss an opinion you don't like as lacking objectivity. I simply don't rate Phil Bardsley, and for some reason that bothers you.



Of course he wasn't being marked by Brown because there was no man marking involved. It was zonal, and Bardsley's responsibility to deal with it.

:lol: It doesnt bother me and where you get 'my hero' from when I think hes little more than a premiership squad player I dont know. It does make me laugh when a self confessed bighead that has never kicked a ball at any level can make outlandish comments about premiership footballers not having the first clue about defending. I'm half expecting you to turn up at the AOL with a ball under your arm to give a masterclass on zonal marking and defending at the back post.
 
The ball hadn't come in before Bardsley had left Nolan unmarked, they were a yard or so inside the six yard box, in the middle of the goal, Mignolet had just taken up a normal goalkeeper's position to wait for the ball coming in.

Just like the Bolton incident which the Captain mentioned, people are so in love with Bardsley's 100% effort that they will blame anyone but him for his continual errors.

The normal starting position for a keeper for a corner is on the line, pretty much centre of the goal, perhaps a touch towards the near post. Mingo is not in that position so I can only assume he has started to come out?
 
I can honestly say that in all the time I have watched Sunderland I can never remember any manager use zonal marking. At least 99.99% of the time we man mark, ever player has man and marks him at every defensive set piece. Samba was Brown's man, we do not pass men on, we man mark, always have done.

Well it wasn't that was against Blackburn. It pretty much always is on corners or free kicks close to our box, but on free kicks like that one where we are effectively defending our 18 yard line from a deep punt, it is zonal marking to maintain the line. It has to be.

:lol: It doesnt bother me and where you get 'my hero' from when I think hes little more than a premiership squad player I dont know. It does make me laugh when a self confessed bighead that has never kicked a ball at any level can make outlandish comments about premiership footballers not having the first clue about defending. I'm half expecting you to turn up at the AOL with a ball under your arm to give a masterclass on zonal marking and defending at the back post.

Aye, it bothers you so little you can't stop yourself hurling yet another lengthy post containing personal abuse and massive hypocrisy my way rather than debating than actual issue at hand.

Whether I am a self-confessed bighead or not doesn't change the fact that if you can criticise Wes Brown for errors, then I can criticise Phil Bardsley for them too.
 
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