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And, once again, rather than allowing me my own opinions, they are called an 'agenda' and dismissed, purely because they differ. The thread started with someone dishing out abuse to someone who doesn't rate the player, with plenty others following suit, and then they have the nerve to try and cry foul play.

There is no agenda from me, no conspiracy, nothing sinister. I simply don't rate the player. No idea why so many refuse to accept that. I just don't think Phil Bardsley is very good. It is an opinion. I'm allowed one.

The really funny thing is that any second, someone else so dumbfounded that their opinion is not being universally recognised as the definitive one will be along to condemn me for my arrogance and high opinion of myself, like Rentaghost did last night.

Agenda doesn't suggest anything sinister, merely something that's always on your list of things to discuss.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. That works both ways...

The majority believe he's a decent player; not fantastic, but certainly not shite; and that's the reality.
 
Bolton - Steinsson, Alonso
Blackburn - Givet
Wigan
Wolves - Ward, Zubar
Norwich - Naughton
Swansea - Taylor,
QPR - Young, Traore
Newcastle - Taylor
Fulham - Riise, Kelly
West Brom - Shorey
Stoke
Sunderland - O'Shea, Richardson

there isnt 1 full back in that lot who is better than him imo
All better, or at the very least on par with Bardsley.
 
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Disagree entirely. Having full backs that are inept at going forward is one of the main reasons we struggle as a team. Our wingers get no support and have very few options making them easier to defend. Opposition wingers don't have to track back as much and that leaves them in better attacking positions. We can't build any pressure on teams as we can't pin them deep into their own half. Bardsley playing on the left causes a horrendous imbalance and pretty much negates any attacks from the left.

He can't shoot or cross with his left and has to cut in and then balloon a shot with his right.

In the olden days he may have been alright but if you're going to be anything other than mediocre then you need better than him.

Richardson is far, far, far superior at left back.


Spot on
 
Agenda doesn't suggest anything sinister, merely something that's always on your list of things to discuss.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. That works both ways...

The majority believe he's a decent player; not fantastic, but certainly not shite; and that's the reality.

He's been poor this season.
 
I expect us to be better than a "lower table Premier League side".

I'm not being funny but a club like Stoke should be the benchmark. We were promoted a season before they were. They've finished higher in every season bar one and they've been to Wembley and are in Europe.

They're already 10 points ahead of us.

At the risk of sounding like Steve Bruce, how many times have we been any better than that in the last 50 years?

You can hope - as I do - that we can improve, to be a regular top half side. And if that happens then Bardsley will probably have a lesser role. But for where we are right now, and for where we have been since Bardsley signed for us, he has been a decent player to have in the squad.

We have tried to improve by signing the likes of Chimbonda, Angeleri, which were disastrous, and Hutton, who we couldn't keep.

It is a good job we have had Bardsley to fall back on in the last few years.
 
Disagree entirely. Having full backs that are inept at going forward is one of the main reasons we struggle as a team. Our wingers get no support and have very few options making them easier to defend. Opposition wingers don't have to track back as much and that leaves them in better attacking positions. We can't build any pressure on teams as we can't pin them deep into their own half. Bardsley playing on the left causes a horrendous imbalance and pretty much negates any attacks from the left.

He can't shoot or cross with his left and has to cut in and then balloon a shot with his right.

In the olden days he may have been alright but if you're going to be anything other than mediocre then you need better than him.

Richardson is far, far, far superior at left back.

I don't disagree with a lot of what you say, however I suspect under oneill we'll see less of the attacking full back than we did under Bruce.

I'd prefer Richardson at left back, however I think you do Bardsley a bit of a disservice; against Blackburn for example he had a great run to the byline and knocked a lovely cross in with his left, and he does do that, albeit not as frequently as we'd like.

A lot of what you describe is down to the player in front of him,too. If sess is there, drifting inside, it puts more onus on the fullback to go outside. If someone like McClean, for example, is there, playing really wide, there's less onus on the fullback to provide that width.

If lack of attacking prowess is a main criticism of Bardsley as a fullback, then O'shea should be getting absolutely slaughtered, because Bardsley offers more.

He's been poor this season.

As have the majority of the team. Not many others get slaughtered on here with such mundane regularity though.
 
I don't disagree with a lot of what you say, however I suspect under oneill we'll see less of the attacking full back than we did under Bruce.

I'd prefer Richardson at left back, however I think you do Bardsley a bit of a disservice; against Blackburn for example he had a great run to the byline and knocked a lovely cross in with his left, and he does do that, albeit not as frequently as we'd like.

A lot of what you describe is down to the player in front of him,too. If sess is there, drifting inside, it puts more onus on the fullback to go outside. If someone like McClean, for example, is there, playing really wide, there's less onus on the fullback to provide that width.

If lack of attacking prowess is a main criticism of Bardsley as a fullback, then O'shea should be getting absolutely slaughtered, because Bardsley offers more.



As have the majority of the team. Not many others get slaughtered on here with such mundane regularity though.

He is. That is the double standard.
 
Could be worse...

He could have went to the Sol dressed as Fred Flintstone...
 
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I don't disagree with a lot of what you say, however I suspect under oneill we'll see less of the attacking full back than we did under Bruce.

I'd prefer Richardson at left back, however I think you do Bardsley a bit of a disservice; against Blackburn for example he had a great run to the byline and knocked a lovely cross in with his left, and he does do that, albeit not as frequently as we'd like.

A lot of what you describe is down to the player in front of him,too. If sess is there, drifting inside, it puts more onus on the fullback to go outside. If someone like McClean, for example, is there, playing really wide, there's less onus on the fullback to provide that width.

If lack of attacking prowess is a main criticism of Bardsley as a fullback, then O'shea should be getting absolutely slaughtered, because Bardsley offers more.

As have the majority of the team. Not many others get slaughtered on here with such mundane regularity though.

I mentioned full backs in general in a lot of my post as O'Shea doesn't help Seb much at all either. Combined with Seb's lack of pace it makes his job a lot harder. All of the good teams have full backs that are capable of winning and running games themselves. I admit we aren't going to have ones as good as them but we need to at least have a few poor man's versions. Richardson for one.

My main criticism of Bardsley isn't his attacking, I just never got around to starting on his defensive capabilities.
 
Pretty embarrassing that mate.

Don't think anyone's saying he should be revered, merely acknowledged as being a decent premier league full back, which he is.

Not brilliant, but certainly not shite.

Your constant agenda against Bardsley is pretty tiresome tbh, and completely disproportionate to his ability and in relation to that of his team mates, IMO.

Our best player last season, apparently.

We've got much bigger problems that Bardsley. We are where we are because we don't create and score goals, not because of the defence.

Players like Bardsley are why we're not in the top 7, not why we're on the verge of a relegation battle.

He's a decent player for any team outside the top 8 to have in the squad.

If we're going to scrutinize Bardsley on that basis, pretty much every other player is open to similar scrutiny.

Does that mean he's immune to people airing their feelings about him?
 
I must have missed the regular 20 page plus threads slating him then, and missed your similar analysis of his weaknesses, and calling anyone who doesn't think he's shite a 'fanboi'

http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=653373&highlight=shea
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=651275&highlight=shea
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=655348&highlight=shea

I rate O'Shea, incidentally. Think he has been very poor in possession at times this season but has been pretty much spot on defensively.
 
I rate O'Shea, incidentally. Think he has been very poor in possession at times this season but has been pretty much spot on defensively.

He's looked as slow as a cart horse and has had the turning circle of a tanker. He's looked a bit better of late after an awful start to his SAFC career where he couldn't even win a header never mind a tackle :oops:
 
And, once again, rather than allowing me my own opinions, they are called an 'agenda' and dismissed, purely because they differ. The thread started with someone dishing out abuse to someone who doesn't rate the player, with plenty others following suit, and then they have the nerve to try and cry foul play.

There is no agenda from me, no conspiracy, nothing sinister. I simply don't rate the player. No idea why so many refuse to accept that. I just don't think Phil Bardsley is very good. It is an opinion. I'm allowed one.

The really funny thing is that any second, someone else so dumbfounded that their opinion is not being universally recognised as the definitive one will be along to condemn me for my arrogance and high opinion of myself, like Rentaghost did last night.


I dont know why you are getting your knickers in a twist over. In some ways my views on Bardsley arent too far away from yours - I dont really rate him, he wouldnt be in my team but I do think for a mid premiereship team he is at worst decent cover.

I do think that anyone who thinks he 'doesnt grasp even the basics of defending' is a first class idiot. If you want to spit your dummy out about being called names then thats up to you but on this issue thats exactly what you are. Hes an international footballer and a regular player in the best league in the world - he knows the basics of football.
 
It is a good job we have had Bardsley to fall back on in the last few years.

Agreed, chimes with the points I attempted to make earlier in the thread. In the five or so years since we were promoted we've signed over fifty players and developed a nucleus of what, two players? Little wonder we've struggled under the "continual development" regime we've employed.

Before anyone chips in with "Why hang on to shit players" he isn't shit. Agricultural as he may be he's proven to be a valuable squad player who's come in very handy for us at times. Like most on here I don't want to see him turning out for the first team on a regular basis, but as ever for us, needs must. Right now he's a bog standard premiership full back who can cover across the back line who has his best years ahead of him. Every side in this division has players of his ilk, albeit the top sides "carry" a higher class of player. Let's show some patience and make sure we've an upgrade on board before we let go, just for a change like.
 
I dont know why you are getting your knickers in a twist over. In some ways my views on Bardsley arent too far away from yours - I dont really rate him, he wouldnt be in my team but I do think for a mid premiereship team he is at worst decent cover.

I do think that anyone who thinks he 'doesnt grasp even the basics of defending' is a first class idiot. If you want to spit your dummy out about being called names then thats up to you but on this issue thats exactly what you are. Hes an international footballer and a regular player in the best league in the world - he knows the basics of football.

Who is spitting a dummy out? I was just having a chuckle over your hypocrisy, 'tis all. It's amusing, not upsetting.
 
Agreed, chimes with the points I attempted to make earlier in the thread. In the five or so years since we were promoted we've signed over fifty players and developed a nucleus of what, two players? Little wonder we've struggled under the "continual development" regime we've employed.

Before anyone chips in with "Why hang on to shit players" he isn't shit. Agricultural as he may be he's proven to be a valuable squad player who's come in very handy for us at times. Like most on here I don't want to see him turning out for the first team on a regular basis, but as ever for us, needs must. Right now he's a bog standard premiership full back who can cover across the back line who has his best years ahead of him. Every side in this division has players of his ilk, albeit the top sides "carry" a higher class of player. Let's show some patience and make sure we've an upgrade on board before we let go, just for a change like.

Spot on Nemo. Walk before we can run, build bit by bit and improve gradually. It's time we developed a settled team and squad, Bardsley has done enough to deserve to be part of it for a while yet.
 
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