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Pretty much how the rest of us feel when grown-men get all precious that one of their little heroes isn't worshipped and revered like they think he should be. Well, actually it was laugh, then cringe, and is now just a yawn given how old it is.

Pretty embarrassing that mate.

Don't think anyone's saying he should be revered, merely acknowledged as being a decent premier league full back, which he is.

Not brilliant, but certainly not shite.

Your constant agenda against Bardsley is pretty tiresome tbh, and completely disproportionate to his ability and in relation to that of his team mates, IMO.
 
So, what is Bardsley actually good at? What are his main attributes?

Trying hard does not count.
 
Pretty embarrassing that mate.

Don't think anyone's saying he should be revered, merely acknowledged as being a decent premier league full back, which he is.

Not brilliant, but certainly not shite.

Your constant agenda against Bardsley is pretty tiresome tbh, and completely disproportionate to his ability and in relation to that of his team mates, IMO.

Players like Bardsley are the reason we are in a relegation battle. I thought we would have learned that after being relegated so many times before. Yes we're struggling to score which is the main issue, but we're also often carrying too many passengers. That lad is one of them.
 
Players like Bardsley are the reason we are in a relegation battle. I thought we would have learned that after being relegated so many times before. Yes we're struggling to score which is the main issue, but we're also often carrying too many passengers. That lad is one of them.

We've got much bigger problems that Bardsley. We are where we are because we don't create and score goals, not because of the defence.

Players like Bardsley are why we're not in the top 7, not why we're on the verge of a relegation battle.

He's a decent player for any team outside the top 8 to have in the squad.

If we're going to scrutinize Bardsley on that basis, pretty much every other player is open to similar scrutiny.
 
We've got much bigger problems that Bardsley. We are where we are because we don't create and score goals, not because of the defence.

Players like Bardsley are why we're not in the top 7, not why we're on the verge of a relegation battle.

He's a decent player for any team outside the top 8 to have in the squad.

If we're going to scrutinize Bardsley on that basis, pretty much every other player is open to similar scrutiny.

Why isn't Bardsley part of the reason we don't create and score goals?
 
So, what is Bardsley actually good at? What are his main attributes?

Trying hard does not count.


He's a good tackler, for the most part.

Not many opposing wingers get past him - out of every defender on our books none have been dribbled less often than him this season (per game).

He has his limitations going forward to say the least but that doesn't stop him doing so when the need arises.

He doesn't hide when things are going badly, either for him or the team.

And trying hard is an attribute - and one not shared by everyone that has been playing for us this season.

I wouldn't have him in the team, incidentally, with everyone fit, because I'd give O'Shea the edge over him on the right, and Richardson on the left. But the notion that he is some sort of liability sums up a lot of what is wrong with expectations of what kind of footballer should be found in the squad of a lower table Premiership side.
 
Players like Bardsley are the reason we are in a relegation battle. I thought we would have learned that after being relegated so many times before. Yes we're struggling to score which is the main issue, but we're also often carrying too many passengers. That lad is one of them.

Why werent we in a relegation battle last year then ? Thats utter rubbish ^^^

How comes Rangers never struggled when he played for then, did Villa languish ?

the reason we are in a relegation battle is because we dont score enough goals, defensively we are ok

He's a good tackler, for the most part.

Not many opposing wingers get past him - out of every defender on our books none have been dribbled less often than him this season (per game).

He has his limitations going forward to say the least but that doesn't stop him doing so when the need arises.

He doesn't hide when things are going badly, either for him or the team.

And trying hard is an attribute - and one not shared by everyone that has been playing for us this season.

I wouldn't have him in the team, incidentally, with everyone fit, because I'd give O'Shea the edge over him on the right, and Richardson on the left. But the notion that he is some sort of liability sums up a lot of what is wrong with expectations of what kind of footballer should be found in the squad of a lower table Premiership side.

as always lanchester is spot on
 
Why werent we in a relegation battle last year then ? Thats utter rubbish ^^^

How comes Rangers never struggled when he played for then, did Villa languish ?

the reason we are in a relegation battle is because we dont score enough goals, defensively we are ok



as always lanchester is spot on

We very nearly were in a relegation battle after being 6th in the table at Christmas.
Defensively we are not ok, had we conceded less then we may have won more games. It's just as good an argument as yours is.

The majority of the goals we've conceded have been from daft defensive mistakes.

It just goes to show how weak our squad is if Bardsley is a first team choice. He'll end up like Kilbane, disliked.
 
Why isn't Bardsley part of the reason we don't create and score goals?

...because that's not one of his primary duties in the team.

If we were scoring 3 or 4 a game, but conceding the same, no one would be suggesting the strikers were to blame for the goals conceded, as that would be plainly ridiculous. Same works in reverse.

We've got a very good defensive record this season, and Bardsley's been part of that defence more often than not.
 
Pretty embarrassing that mate.

Don't think anyone's saying he should be revered, merely acknowledged as being a decent premier league full back, which he is.

Not brilliant, but certainly not shite.

Your constant agenda against Bardsley is pretty tiresome tbh, and completely disproportionate to his ability and in relation to that of his team mates, IMO.

And, once again, rather than allowing me my own opinions, they are called an 'agenda' and dismissed, purely because they differ. The thread started with someone dishing out abuse to someone who doesn't rate the player, with plenty others following suit, and then they have the nerve to try and cry foul play.

There is no agenda from me, no conspiracy, nothing sinister. I simply don't rate the player. No idea why so many refuse to accept that. I just don't think Phil Bardsley is very good. It is an opinion. I'm allowed one.

The really funny thing is that any second, someone else so dumbfounded that their opinion is not being universally recognised as the definitive one will be along to condemn me for my arrogance and high opinion of myself, like Rentaghost did last night.
 
We very nearly were in a relegation battle after being 6th in the table at Christmas.
Defensively we are not ok, had we conceded less then we may have won more games. It's just as good an argument as yours is.

The majority of the goals we've conceded have been from daft defensive mistakes.

It just goes to show how weak our squad is if Bardsley is a first team choice. He'll end up like Kilbane, disliked.

He would be first choice at probably 11 or 12 premier league clubs.
 
He's a good tackler, for the most part.

Not many opposing wingers get past him - out of every defender on our books none have been dribbled less often than him this season (per game).

He has his limitations going forward to say the least but that doesn't stop him doing so when the need arises.

He doesn't hide when things are going badly, either for him or the team.

And trying hard is an attribute - and one not shared by everyone that has been playing for us this season.

I wouldn't have him in the team, incidentally, with everyone fit, because I'd give O'Shea the edge over him on the right, and Richardson on the left. But the notion that he is some sort of liability sums up a lot of what is wrong with expectations of what kind of footballer should be found in the squad of a lower table Premiership side.

Spot on, especially bit in bold.
 
...because that's not one of his primary duties in the team.

If we were scoring 3 or 4 a game, but conceding the same, no one would be suggesting the strikers were to blame for the goals conceded, as that would be plainly ridiculous. Same works in reverse.

We've got a very good defensive record this season, and Bardsley's been part of that defence more often than not.

Disagree entirely. Having full backs that are inept at going forward is one of the main reasons we struggle as a team. Our wingers get no support and have very few options making them easier to defend. Opposition wingers don't have to track back as much and that leaves them in better attacking positions. We can't build any pressure on teams as we can't pin them deep into their own half. Bardsley playing on the left causes a horrendous imbalance and pretty much negates any attacks from the left.

He can't shoot or cross with his left and has to cut in and then balloon a shot with his right.

In the olden days he may have been alright but if you're going to be anything other than mediocre then you need better than him.

Richardson is far, far, far superior at left back.
 
Spot on, especially bit in bold.

I expect us to be better than a "lower table Premier League side".

I'm not being funny but a club like Stoke should be the benchmark. We were promoted a season before they were. They've finished higher in every season bar one and they've been to Wembley and are in Europe.

They're already 10 points ahead of us.
 
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