Bardo actually quite good...post if you dare.


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Seriously, Bardo comes in for a lot of stick on here despite being a former player of the year. I'm ever more convinced that most clowns who say this have little or no perspective on SAFC or RBs.

In the top flight the only proven RB we've had in the last 20 yrs was Chris Makin. He crossed the half way line with an oxygen mask and his lack of shooting or scoring earned him a chant that would erupt from the stands if he got 40 yards up from his own goal line of 'shooooooooooot'. He never made a decisive pass, never beat a man and never supported forward runs. Yet he became a legend.

Why was this? because he never let a man beat him at RB. Sure the ball might go past but we all knew the man never did. We'd regularly concede free kicks but we never cared and we came 7th twice.

Compared with this, Bardoi is class. He scores, he tackles and comes away with the ball, he can make a pass (sometimes very good), he can (at times) cross, he gives away fewer free kicks, he's totally committed. He is a defender when considering this information.

He is far in excess of players we've had in the past.

Post here if you can think of players we've had who are better than him in that position and justify your decision.
 
Seriously, Bardo comes in for a lot of stick on here despite being a former player of the year. I'm ever more convinced that most clowns who say this have little or no perspective on SAFC or RBs.

In the top flight the only proven RB we've had in the last 20 yrs was Chris Makin. He crossed the half way line with an oxygen mask and his lack of shooting or scoring earned him a chant that would erupt from the stands if he got 40 yards up from his own goal line of 'shooooooooooot'. He never made a decisive pass, never beat a man and never supported forward runs. Yet he became a legend.

Why was this? because he never let a man beat him at RB. Sure the ball might go past but we all knew the man never did. We'd regularly concede free kicks but we never cared and we came 7th twice.

Compared with this, Bardoi is class. He scores, he tackles and comes away with the ball, he can make a pass (sometimes very good), he can (at times) cross, he gives away fewer free kicks, he's totally committed. He is a defender when considering this information.

He is far in excess of players we've had in the past.

Post here if you can think of players we've had who are better than him in that position and justify your decision.
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Seriously, Bardo comes in for a lot of stick on here despite being a former player of the year. I'm ever more convinced that most clowns who say this have little or no perspective on SAFC or RBs.

In the top flight the only proven RB we've had in the last 20 yrs was Chris Makin. He crossed the half way line with an oxygen mask and his lack of shooting or scoring earned him a chant that would erupt from the stands if he got 40 yards up from his own goal line of 'shooooooooooot'. He never made a decisive pass, never beat a man and never supported forward runs. Yet he became a legend.

Why was this? because he never let a man beat him at RB. Sure the ball might go past but we all knew the man never did. We'd regularly concede free kicks but we never cared and we came 7th twice.

Compared with this, Bardoi is class. He scores, he tackles and comes away with the ball, he can make a pass (sometimes very good), he can (at times) cross, he gives away fewer free kicks, he's totally committed. He is a defender when considering this information.

He is far in excess of players we've had in the past.

Post here if you can think of players we've had who are better than him in that position and justify your decision.

See my post on the other thread, Kubicki is the only RB better for me in the modern sense.(Gardner not far away mind!)
 
Bardo is a very limited footballer and we should seek better. Not going to debate it, he may or may not be the best right back at the club. Even if he is, he is still terrible. Too often lumps aimless balls up the pitch, its a blessing when he does though. Rather give it away up the park than his rubbish 5 yard passes that go astray, in defence/midfield putting us on the back foot. That enough of a bite for you?
 
We've had a better left wingers and CMs than our current lot in comparison to our history of RB and the stick he gets.

I'm not saying he's the best and we don't need another, I am simply saying that it's become fashionable to say Bardo is pants...when it's far from true and actually he's quite good in terms of what SAFC fans should come to expect.

Seriously there are other places to look for team improvement first. Yet a Bardo replacement would still be the first place to spunk 6 mill on if some had their way. It's just unfathomable in the grand perspective of being an SAFC fan or what we need to do to improve.

How mant other PL teams have an RB you'd want in replacement of him?

I bet none of you can name 10 PL team RBs let alone would want them all. Everyone says we'd be happy with 10th so that should be an easy task. Without google noone on this forum could do it. Where's the Bardo replacement?
 
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We've had a better left wingers and CMs than our current lot in comparison to our history of RB and the stick he gets.

I'm not saying he's the best and we don't need another, I am simply saying that it's become fashionable to say Bardo is pants...when it's far from true and actually he's quite good in terms of what SAFC fans should come to expect.

Seriously there are other places to look for team improvement first. Yet a Bardo replacement would still be the first place to spunk 6 mill on if some had their way. It's just unfathomable in the grand perspective of being an SAFC fan or what we need to do to improve.

How mant other PL teams have an RB you'd want in replacement of him?

I bet none of you can name 10 PL team RBs let alone would want them all. Everyone says we'd be happy with 10th so that should be an easy task. Without google noone on this forum could do it. Where's the Bardo replacement?

Sagna, Jenkinson, Azpicuelta, Ivanovic, Coleman, Hibbert, Neville, Johnson, Maicon, Zabaleta, Richards, Rafael, Rangel, Clyne, Walker and Naughton. Without using google, I'd swap Bardsley for any of them.

Bardsley can't pass, is poor at deciding when to stand off or when to tackle and switches off regularly at set pieces.
 
Sagna, Jenkinson, Azpicuelta, Ivanovic, Coleman, Hibbert, Neville, Johnson, Maicon, Zabaleta, Richards, Rafael, Rangel, Clyne, Walker and Naughton. Without using google, I'd swap Bardsley for any of them.

Bardsley can't pass, is poor at deciding when to stand off or when to tackle and switches off regularly at set pieces.

Well, not all of those are in the PL and once you discount those we could possibly sign in a fantasy year what are you left with????


I do take your point about Bardsley and I agree... but do you take mine? Who is better that we can actually have? Who in the PL has a RB that we could buy that sits above us in the tbl and is better than Bardsley???

It's all very well to complain, and I agree with the complaint but......let's try to be real about our Bardo complaint here and put it into perspective. It's not that obvious or easy and there are other places to solve before that.

My question still stands and despite your good effort andy78, you didn;t fulfill the criteria of a realistic answer.
 
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Well, not all of those are in the PL and once you discount those we could possibly sign in a fantasy year what are you left with????


I do take your point about Bardsley and I agree... but do you take mine? Who is better that we can actually have? Who in the PL has a RB that we could buy that sits above us in the tbl and is better than Bardsley???

It's all very well to complain, and I agree with the complaint but......

All those are in the PL mate.
 
Well, not all of those are in the PL and once you discount those we could possibly sign in a fantasy year what are you left with????


I do take your point about Bardsley and I agree... but do you take mine? Who is better that we can actually have? Who in the PL has a RB that we could buy that sits above us in the tbl and is better than Bardsley???

It's all very well to complain, and I agree with the complaint but......

They are all current Premier League players.

Why does it have to be someone from the Premier League? He's simply not good enough, the fact he tries hard is all well and good but right back is a serious problem for us. The success of Rose at left back highlights that it's not that hard to get an improvement.
 
All those are in the PL mate.

ahhh thought Maicon wasn't sorry.

Ok. My point still stands despite the error. How many of them could we realistically buy and is that where you'd spunk your January or even summer money given our problems?

They are all current Premier League players.

Why does it have to be someone from the Premier League? He's simply not good enough, the fact he tries hard is all well and good but right back is a serious problem for us. The success of Rose at left back highlights that it's not that hard to get an improvement.

Ok, let me put it another way how many teams have you named RBs from there?

Given as we'd be happy at 10th i'm guessing. we should have 10 teams with RBs who'd be better than Bardo, this isn't going to be the case so we must then admit that his replacement (which I concede is needed longterm) isn't nearly the desperate measure needed to spunk our money on in the next 15 months to improve us as a team.

Do you agree?
 
ahhh thought Maicon wasn't sorry.

Ok. My point still stands despite the error. How many of them could we realistically buy and is that where you'd spunk your January or even summer money given our problems?

I wouldn't I would spend it elsewhere, with Gardner as back up no need to in Jan but I can see the points of others that to progress he will need replacing in the not too distant future, still doesn't make him a bad player though.
 
ahhh thought Maicon wasn't sorry.

Ok. My point still stands despite the error. How many of them could we realistically buy and is that where you'd spunk your January or even summer money given our problems?



Ok, let me put it another way how many teams have you named RBs from there?

Given as we'd be happy at 10th i'm guessing. we should have 10 teams with RBs who'd be better than Bardo, this isn't going to be the case so we must then admit that his replacement (which I concede is needed longterm) isn't nearly the desperate measure needed to spunk our money on in the next 15 months to improve us as a team.

Do you agree?

I don't agree that because some teams have a shite right back that we too should have a shite right back.

As I said, look at Danny Rose. We sold Richardson to Fulham and after the Strinic move fell through we got Rose on loan, who has been a revelation, despite being our cheap alternative.

Bardsley is poor, we desperately need a new right back. Especially as Johnson and McClean cut inside, which means someone has to overlap to pull one of the two players who are doubling up on our wingers away.
 
Seriously, Bardo comes in for a lot of stick on here despite being a former player of the year. I'm ever more convinced that most clowns who say this have little or no perspective on SAFC or RBs.

In the top flight the only proven RB we've had in the last 20 yrs was Chris Makin. He crossed the half way line with an oxygen mask and his lack of shooting or scoring earned him a chant that would erupt from the stands if he got 40 yards up from his own goal line of 'shooooooooooot'. He never made a decisive pass, never beat a man and never supported forward runs. Yet he became a legend.

Why was this? because he never let a man beat him at RB. Sure the ball might go past but we all knew the man never did. We'd regularly concede free kicks but we never cared and we came 7th twice.

Compared with this, Bardoi is class. He scores, he tackles and comes away with the ball, he can make a pass (sometimes very good), he can (at times) cross, he gives away fewer free kicks, he's totally committed. He is a defender when considering this information.

He is far in excess of players we've had in the past.

Post here if you can think of players we've had who are better than him in that position and justify your decision.

I agree with you
 
I don't agree that because some teams have a shite right back that we too should have a shite right back.

As I said, look at Danny Rose. We sold Richardson to Fulham and after the Strinic move fell through we got Rose on loan, who has been a revelation, despite being our cheap alternative.

Bardsley is poor, we desperately need a new right back. Especially as Johnson and McClean cut inside, which means someone has to overlap to pull one of the two players who are doubling up on our wingers away.

I agree with you but who can we realistically get who's better? pretty much noone from your list. So who? and if you have 10 million in Jan do you buy an RB? Who?

I just don't think it's as easy as everyone makes out....'ohhh I hate Bardo cos everyone says he's shyte. we must ditch him now and play anyone else there' This is a fools idea. He's not that bad and he doesn't need replacing immediately. As you admit.... it's quite easy to be a better team than us with players at RB worse the Bardsley.
 
Seriously, Bardo comes in for a lot of stick on here despite being a former player of the year. I'm ever more convinced that most clowns who say this have little or no perspective on SAFC or RBs.

In the top flight the only proven RB we've had in the last 20 yrs was Chris Makin. He crossed the half way line with an oxygen mask and his lack of shooting or scoring earned him a chant that would erupt from the stands if he got 40 yards up from his own goal line of 'shooooooooooot'. He never made a decisive pass, never beat a man and never supported forward runs. Yet he became a legend.

Why was this? because he never let a man beat him at RB. Sure the ball might go past but we all knew the man never did. We'd regularly concede free kicks but we never cared and we came 7th twice.

Compared with this, Bardoi is class. He scores, he tackles and comes away with the ball, he can make a pass (sometimes very good), he can (at times) cross, he gives away fewer free kicks, he's totally committed. He is a defender when considering this information.

He is far in excess of players we've had in the past.

Post here if you can think of players we've had who are better than him in that position and justify your decision.

I never understood the love-in with Makin myself, except he was RB at our most successful time in recent history.

Bardsley is quite good, only with heavy emphasis on 'quite'. He's been part of a team who's played in the premiership with either going down or excelling for a number of years.

He's a 100%-er, but just compare him with young Rose and his limitations are obvious.
 
I just don't think it's as easy as everyone makes out....'ohhh I hate Bardo cos everyone says he's shyte. we must ditch him now and play anyone else there' This is a fools idea. He's not that bad and he doesn't need replacing immediately. As you admit.... it's quite easy to be a better team than us with players at RB worse the Bardsley.

:):):) Give it up, Ten Trenches Deep.

It doesn't matter if we have major problems in the midfield and can't score, RB is the reason we are where we are and is a priority to sort.

It doesn't matter if Bardsley is first choice right back because Gardner is better at that position.

It doesn't matter if Bardsley is relatively good defensively because he is woeful at distribution and is gash going forward even though he contributes goals (which Rose has yet to do).

It doesn't matter if Bardsley is made captain by two successive managers because he's their third choice after all.

It doesn't matter if Bardsley was player of the year because it is voted on by people who don't know football and reward effort over quality.

It doesn't matter what positive arguments you put forward, you won't sway the opinions of the anti-Bardsley brigade. They've fingered the real weak link in the squad and the scapegoat for our performances over the past year. The rest of us just haven't caught up with them yet :)
 
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