redandwhitejoe
Winger
The only parties against AV are them and the BNP you know. Doesn't that tell you something?
That's bullshit like
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The only parties against AV are them and the BNP you know. Doesn't that tell you something?
That's bullshit like
Which other parties do you think are against it like?
Which other parties do you think are against it like?
There are a lot of Labour politicians both for and against it. Its a crap system that as far as I understand massively increases the likelihood of a coalition Government making the Lib Dems the most influential party in British politics.
If we bring in AV will we also be coupling it with making voting compulsary?
^ This
I've always found it funny that the Census compulsory, yet voting in local/general election is not. :roll:
I think it should be, even if the papers get spoiled as a sign of discontent. It gets the lazy off their arses if nothing else.
I think it should be, even if the papers get spoiled as a sign of discontent. It gets the lazy off their arses if nothing else.
From my understanding, currently the party who wins the most seats in an election gains control.
Under the AV system if a candidate in any ward doesn't take more than half the votes then the 'loser' of the ranked election drops out and the people who voted for them have their second choices counted instead.
In my opinion the current system is correct.
Or in the words of Auf Wiedersen Pet, we could be in a scenario where everybody gets what nobody wanted:
Glad to see that you have given the matter such careful consideration.As no one has came knocking at my door to tell me the ins and outs,I was at a bit of a loss to know what this AV was all about,
Then I saw The celebrity homo Stephen Fry saying vote YES so that was my mind made up a NO vote for me.
Then I opened my Echo up that night and Stabber Watson the leader of our ineffectual council was saying vote NO.
I think I'll Spin a coin on election day!
Not really. A majority is required.
But everyone who puts further preferences on their ballot slip 'wants' those candidates, otherwise they wouldn't have, and don't have to, do this. As I've said before, the current electoral system quite commonly produces outcomes that the majority do not want.
For instance, in FPTP if there are 10 candidates and 11% vote for one, 9% for another and 10% for each of the rest then a candidate is elected. In this outcome, it's possible that almost 9 out of 10 of that constituency despise the victor.
If we bring in AV will we also be coupling it with making voting compulsary?
No but we should. IIRC the system in Australia is that voting is compulsory but there's a fairy low standard fine for those that don't.
The only way an alternative vote would be fair is if you're not obliged to make second and third choices etc - and because it then becomes unfair if some people do and some people don't it's not managable.
The people who argue against the AV system are those who forget that you don't vote for your leader or PM. You vote for your local MP to win a seat in parliament. And the reason for this is because if you voted for the person you wanted to lead then the parties would simply roll up in the biggest cities or where turn out is highest and canvass for votes there - forgetting the North and rural communities.