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You say that, and then tell him to vote for a new electoral system because he doesn't like the toriesIt's about a hell of a lot more than that as well.
Is it fair that the referendum on AV is being run as FPTP?
No. We need AV for the referendum, then people who want FPTP can vote FPTP first and then make no other choice, while the AV supporters can vote for AV, but still be able to put FPTP as their second choice.
Is it fair that the referendum on AV is being run as FPTP?
You usually talk sensibly but this time I disagree with you. Currently, say you wanted a minority party (greens for eg), with FPTP you might not vote for them because your vote would be wasted so you vote for your preference of the big 2. With AV you can give your vote to your first choice (Greens) because you know other people might vote for them too on AV, so it does give the underdog a better chance of securing votes.
I'm attempting to show that you can play it party style on both sides if that's the way you really want to.
I don't think that's the right way to decide like as i've stated loads of times.
I can see your arguement mate but PR or AV will give more power to minority parties is the way I see it. The current system isnt perfect but at least you know where you stand.
By the way I have lost my job thanks to that c*nt Clegg who has allowed the tories to do whatever they like.
Scaremongering then, are we?![]()
Exactly.
It benefits minority groups and the unpopular. It supports second or third choices over first choices. It's unfair.
Right of center party gains 49% of vote. None of these voters state a second preference.
Center party gains 26% of votes. All their voters state a second preference of right of center party.
Left of center party gains 25% of vote. All their voters state a second preference of Center party, not because they want them in but because the don't want the right of center party.
In this simplified but clear demonstration the party who is clearly most popular doesn't get in.
Yet if the left of center party do 1% better at the expense of the center party the right wing party will get in on a landslide.
(I think. I'm tired.)
It's an extreme and unrealistic scenario, but it does highlight that AV is by no means fair, nor is it necessarily a better representation of the electorate's wishes.
Big Sharp Teeth said:Exactly.
It benefits minority groups and the unpopular. It supports second or third choices over first choices. It's unfair.
Right of center party gains 49% of vote. None of these voters state a second preference.
Center party gains 26% of votes. All their voters state a second preference of right of center party.
Left of center party gains 25% of vote. All their voters state a second preference of Center party, not because they want them in but because the don't want the right of center party.
In this simplified but clear demonstration the party who is clearly most popular doesn't get in.
Yet if the left of center party do 1% better at the expense of the center party the right wing party will get in on a landslide.
(I think. I'm tired.)
It's an extreme and unrealistic scenario, but it does highlight that AV is by no means fair, nor is it necessarily a better representation of the electorate's wishes.
I'll think about your example before I comment on it.Exactly.
It benefits minority groups and the unpopular. It supports second or third choices over first choices. It's unfair.
I got my leaflet today. It was so badly written, and gave such poor description that I have changed my mind and will be voting for AV.
Does anyone know where the funding for it came from?
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No one candidate having 50% of the vote iirc.What scenario would have to happen, before the voters third choice is counted towards the vote?
What scenario would have to happen, before the voters third choice is counted towards the vote?
No one candidate having 50% of the vote iirc.
so it just, goes on and on till some one has 51%?