Discussion in 'SMB' started by naughtynose, Mar 13, 2019.

  1. Randall Carlson, he's the boy.
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  2. bigmarlon

    bigmarlon Midfield

    Plato got the story of Atlantis from Solon iirc who in turn had heard the story when he'd travelled to Egypt.

    I may be wrong about that. Can't be arsed to google it.
  3. Smartin

    Smartin Winger

    Never heard that before, without researching it thought it was Plato’s creation.
  4. bigmarlon

    bigmarlon Midfield

    Nah, I was reet.
    Atlantis - Wikipedia
    "The only primary sources for Atlantis are Plato's dialogues Timaeus and Critias; all other mentions of the island are based on them. The dialogues claim to quote Solon, who visited Egypt between 590 and 580 BC; they state that he translated Egyptian records of Atlantis.[20] "
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  5. Smartin

    Smartin Winger

    Well there you go, well done, good knowledge.
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  6. You're spot on.The information was said to have been given to Solon during a visit to Egypt around 590 BC.

    The thing I find interesting is that the priest is supposed to have said this had happened 9000 years before in around 11,600 BC. This coincides exactly with the end of the Younger Dryas period where global temperatures went up massively. This would have caused a huge sea level rise.

  7. bigmarlon

    bigmarlon Midfield

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  8. Dogbark

    Dogbark Striker

    He's a grade one bullshitter man :lol:
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  9. The Fitter

    The Fitter Winger

    Very apt username mate! There are several sites around the world that could have matched the theory, however the ones you've just posted is the most accurate and feasible as the "true" atlantis. There is a site in southern Spain which if you view from above, clearly shows man-made earthworks of a former city build on small islands, rather than beneath the waves. no records of it, but something big was built there long ago.
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  10. cauldbairn

    cauldbairn Central Defender

    Geology says it can't be where he claimed it was. Like I say it's probable that it was inspired by real world examples.
  11. bigmarlon

    bigmarlon Midfield

    His "theory" is mental, and he does stretch the truth a lot. I just like looking at his pictures tbh. He's been all around the world working on archeological sites and has dug up some great finds.

    He also cited Gobleki Tepi as a centre for an advanced civilisation a decade before scientists/archeologists agreed. By advanced I mean farming, culture fyi, not Ancient Alien type shit.

    I like him.
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  12. It's been hiding in plain sight.... in the Sahara
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  13. the dark one

    the dark one Winger

    It was a class arcade in 1985 ish. Owned by Gilly....
  14. How so?
  15. I liked her ironic song. Looked a bit like Bret the hit man heart iirc
  16. taipeisafc

    taipeisafc Winger

    I like his stuff but personally I think it is all Pseudoscience - he often puts 2 and 2 together and the answer is an ancient civilzation. I think someone on here knows him or went to school with him.
  17. I think he gives us food for thought more than anything else.Theories without many facts.
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  18. bigmarlon

    bigmarlon Midfield

    Me too, I just like his pictures and knowledge. I had no idea about the Giant Olmec heads or the similarities between Dagon and the Aztec/Maya god (whose name I forget) until I'd watched one of his video's. I use them as a jumping off point more than anything. I find the ancient world fascinating

  19. Santorini and Crete.
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  20. Ilios

    Ilios Winger

    Well, there issues with this - not aimed at you btw, I'm just broadly addressing the thread.

    1. Solon died 100 years before Plato, so even if Plato was presenting this as a genuine statement of fact, he'd be doing little more than Chinese whispers - unless Solon wrote this down in detail.

    2. However, Plato's timing of Solon visiting Egypt is in conflict with Herodotus and later, Aristotle.

    3. His use of Solon is quite complicated to break down without assuming knowledge of Plato, Solon and the political context. However, he is probably using Solon (and by extension Egypt) authoritatively to reinforce his own ideas in the Republic - which I have studied academically, but not so much the Timaeus and Critias.

    4. Plato's description of Atlantis matches no civilisation that ever existed, as far as anybody else bar Plato is aware of - which is absolutely bizzare. Nobody else anywhere, mentioned Atlantis prior to Plato, and every person since, relies entirely on him as the source. This is absurd, if we assume Atlantis was real.

    5. The source that Solon is alleged to have seen, is also impossibly unreliable. Neither Egypt nor Athens existed 11,500 years ago. In addition, there was no mathematics, no way of measuring 'years', and nobody could write any of this down until several thousand years later - which means that attempts to post hoc map this onto geological events from similar periods, doesn't grant any knowledge by Plato - as he would have no reasonable way of knowing that, or anything else that happened such a vast period of time pre-history.

    In the late Archaic/Classical periods in Greece, anything written which discusses events from more than about 100-120 years, is hugely unreliable anyway. We can study Thucydides and Herodotus and see this in action, but it is fascinating.

    There is a lot more I could say, but I don't want to bore everybody :)

    But I heard a quote from a particular Classics scholar (whose name escapes me) that I liked: 'People looking for Plato's Atlantis essentially set out looking for their lost pet dog in Dundee, and then don't find it, so instead they point to a recovered parakeet found in Bolivia, and claim to found the dog'.

    There are some good, accessible academic books on Plato that I could recommend if anybody was interested.
    Last edited: Mar 15, 2019
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