Astra Zeneca



PrisonBroken

Midfield
Purely based on how effective the vaccines are. Pfizer and Moderna show ninety-five and ninety-four percentages respectively, the AZ shows seventy. With my health issues I prefer one that covers me the most. It isn't about being Anti-British or anything silly like that, it is purely based on how I feel the other two would be better for me personally. And that was my feelings even before my country suspended the AZ.

Also, I would rather only wait two weeks for my second jab than up to three months.
Mate those numbers were for the trials very small numbers of people. in the real world there is nothing to choose between the vaccines in fact in the Scotland study the AZ vaccine did a bit better at preventing hospitalizations than Pfizer


"The results, available as a preprint, showed that four weeks after the first doses of the Pfizer BioNTech and Oxford AstraZeneca vaccines were administered the risk of hospitalisation from covid-19 fell by up to 85% (95% confidence interval 76 to 91) and 94% (95% CI 73 to 99), respectively."

Also the incidence of clots is still well below what you see normally in a sample this size. These reports could just have easily been written as AZ vaccine prevents blood clots.


Hope you get what you want anyway but there is a lot of rubbish being dressed up as news at present
 

CEF

Winger
This is going to set the EU back months with terrible consequences.

It seems to be political, I really can’t understand their motive.
If that was true, it would be truly despicable.

In a large part it seems that it might stem from, or at least be exagerated by fear and superstition. They seem to have completely abandoned science and reason.

Worrying that none of their politicians are able to give a sensible explanation for their actions. Are they really killing their citizens for some sort of political gain? (Ie creating a scapegoat for their own failings surrounding the vaccine). If so, it's bordering on man slaughter.
 

JohnKay

Winger
The data isn't my only basis for my decision. You would know this if you had read and understood my posts on this fred.

And anyway, even if it was only based on data how exactly would that make my decision politically motivated ?

Your decision isn't based on politics imo marra, that's what I was trying to get a yesterday in a post. You live in the EU and the press and possible political agenda of the zone has left you both worried and sceptical of the AZ shot, it's not you applying politics.
I think it's fair to say if myself and loads of others on here lived in Denmark or Germany etc we would feel the same, the feck up with the under 55's "half dose" data does look very odd no matter what. I don't think you need to defend yourself anyway, it's your choice and you're looking at this from a very different angle marra.
 

gabbiadini1

Winger
You don’t get a choice mate, it’s either let them use what they’ve got or fuck off
Oh I totally get that. I would never refuse one. Never even had any doubt previously. Just being booked in Thursday, then all this started, just got me thinking. Interesting thread.
 

Wild Card

Central Defender
Oh I totally get that. I would never refuse one. Never even had any doubt previously. Just being booked in Thursday, then all this started, just got me thinking. Interesting thread.
I know what you mean. I have mine tomorrow as well. Looking forward to it as I want to be able to visit my grandparents again. I have defended the az vaccine since the start of the clotting rumours and I don't doubt that it is safe.

But all the stories from Europe do give you a elevated sense of worry about the vaccine even if it isn't much, it's more than before.

The damage these stories must be doing to the confidence of your average European citizen, combined with the dubious rollout from Germany must be huge.

The Italian politicians say they they can easily catch up with the rollout once it is confirmed "safe" but I can imagine that a lot of Europeans won't want the az shot now.
 
The French suing a company supplying a vaccine at cost price that they don't want.
I may be going down a conspiracy rabbit hole here but I’m starting to suspect the influence of other pharma companies on politicians. Massive profits to be made and they don’t want the lowest cost non profit vaccine that is also proving to be more effective f***ing up the purchase of their ferraris
 

alexander

Striker
Your decision isn't based on politics imo marra, that's what I was trying to get a yesterday in a post. You live in the EU and the press and possible political agenda of the zone has left you both worried and sceptical of the AZ shot, it's not you applying politics.
I think it's fair to say if myself and loads of others on here lived in Denmark or Germany etc we would feel the same, the feck up with the under 55's "half dose" data does look very odd no matter what. I don't think you need to defend yourself anyway, it's your choice and you're looking at this from a very different angle marra.

You are right, it isn't based on politics at all. To think I of all people would have an Anti-British agenda is pretty silly. But some people read my posts like the Devil reads the Bible and telling me to admit my decision is politically motivated is just plain trolling. Thankfully one rotten apple doesn't always spoil the rest and this fred has been interesting and learning. Thank you.
 
I know what you mean. I have mine tomorrow as well. Looking forward to it as I want to be able to visit my grandparents again. I have defended the az vaccine since the start of the clotting rumours and I don't doubt that it is safe.

But all the stories from Europe do give you a elevated sense of worry about the vaccine even if it isn't much, it's more than before.

The damage these stories must be doing to the confidence of your average European citizen, combined with the dubious rollout from Germany must be huge.

The Italian politicians say they they can easily catch up with the rollout once it is confirmed "safe" but I can imagine that a lot of Europeans won't want the az shot now.
I had the AZ a couple of weeks ago and had no side effects or anything, really straightforward with no problems at all. My 21 year old daughter who is severely disabled is due to get hers next Thursday, it's at the Nightingale same as mine was, so will definitely also be the AZ. I can't help worrying more now about her having it even though I know realistically she will be fine.
As you say these stories are going to do untold damage and lead to more deaths with people almost certainly refusing to have the vaccine even once it's proved safe.
 
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You are right, it isn't based on politics at all. To think I of all people would have an Anti-British agenda is pretty silly. But some people read my posts like the Devil reads the Bible and telling me to admit my decision is politically motivated is just plain trolling. Thankfully one rotten apple doesn't always spoil the rest and this fred has been interesting and learning. Thank you.
Always get knackers in life. To be fair I think a few posters were trying to help by letting you know that although trial data showed AZ to have lower effacacy real mass vaccination data shows it has a higher effectiveness.
I had the AZ a couple of weeks ago and had no side effects or anything, really straightforward with no problems at all. My 21 year old daughter who is severely disabled is due to get hers next Thursday, it's at the Nightingale same as mine was, so will definitely also be the AZ. I can't help worrying more now even though I know realistically she will be fine.
As you say these stories are going to do untold damage and lead to more deaths with people almost certainly refusing to have the vaccine even once it's proved safe.
The absolute thing to bear in mind is overall risk. The real risk of severe consequences of contracting COVID outweighs any potential risk of a vaccine side effect by a factor of thousands.
Add to that the following:
- no actual evidence that AZ causes an increased risk of serious side effects. In fact occurrence of blood clots appears to be lower than expected in unvaccinated people.
- Pfizer has almost exactly the same rate of blood clot reports
-WHO,EMA, British medical body and the world body of blood clot experts have all publically stated keep using AZ
- Several European countries have stated that they have enacted suspensions because of apparent events in other countries that they have no reports of.
- Statements from Italy saying that the suspensions are politically motivated.
It’s natural to worry but absolutely nothing has in reality changed.
 
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Always get knackers in life. To be fair I think a few posters were trying to help by letting you know that although trial data showed AZ to have lower effacacy real mass vaccination data shows it has a higher effectiveness.
The absolute thing to bear in mind is overall risk. The real risk of severe consequences of contracting COVID outweighs any potential risk of a vaccine side effect by a factor of thousands.
Add to that the following:
- no actual evidence that AZ causes an increased risk of serious side effects. In fact occurrence of blood clots appears to be lower than expected in unvaccinated people.
- Pfizer has almost exactly the same rate of blood clot reports
-WHO,EMA, British medical body and the world body of blood clot experts have all publically stated keep using AZ
- Several European countries have stated that they have enacted suspensions because of apparent events in other countries that they have no reports of.
- Statements from Italy saying that the suspensions are politically motivated.
It’s natural to worry but absolutely nothing has in reality changed.
Aye I know I'm being daft, I am just terrified of making the wrong decision for her as she can't make decisions for herself. I am 100% pro-vaccine and she will still be getting it but it just shows what damage these reports are doing when even I considered, if only for a few seconds, not to take her for it.
 
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Always get knackers in life. To be fair I think a few posters were trying to help by letting you know that although trial data showed AZ to have lower effacacy real mass vaccination data shows it has a higher effectiveness.

The absolute thing to bear in mind is overall risk. The real risk of severe consequences of contracting COVID outweighs any potential risk of a vaccine side effect by a factor of thousands.
Add to that the following:
- no actual evidence that AZ causes an increased risk of serious side effects. In fact occurrence of blood clots appears to be lower than expected in unvaccinated people.
- Pfizer has almost exactly the same rate of blood clot reports
-WHO,EMA, British medical body and the world body of blood clot experts have all publically stated keep using AZ
- Several European countries have stated that they have enacted suspensions because of apparent events in other countries that they have no reports of.
- Statements from Italy saying that the suspensions are politically motivated.
It’s natural to worry but absolutely nothing has in reality changed.
It does seem that a few people have come together and deduced that 2+2=5
 

alexander

Striker
Always get knackers in life. To be fair I think a few posters were trying to help by letting you know that although trial data showed AZ to have lower effacacy real mass vaccination data shows it has a higher effectiveness.

And I really appreciate that. The fred has been educational and that is never a bad thing.

But there is still the issue of waiting up to three months for the second jab. I don't have time to wait that long to get up to ninety percentage.

And to be brutally honest, even if it turns out that the issues with the AZ and blood clots could be worse, it will still very much be at the back of my mind when I go for my jab. My own history with blood clots in the heart is still too fresh to be taken lightly and I just don't want to worry. Am sticking with one of the other two vaccines but it is still very much so a personal decision.
 
It does seem that a few people have come together and deduced that 2+2=5
To be fair I have just thought of another thing potentially muddying the waters which is the remit of the various authorities suspending use of AZ. If their remit is to ensure vaccines do not have serious side effects, then you could say they are making the right decision. Although in that case I would argue their remit is wrong as it should be to make the decision that brings the greatest benefit. It also wouldnt explain why no country has banned Pfizer with its similar level of reported blood clot issues.
 

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