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Ashes 5 test - The Oval

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rentaghost said:
People improve and learn over time. In Buttlers initial spell in test cricket he wasn’t good enough and got dropped. He was out of the side for some time and when he came back into the side his record had been just about as good as any of the other batsmen selected. Compare his record against Root, Stokes, Bairstow etc anyone else you like from the time he came back and it is as good as anyone’s.
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That's not my point man.

Saying hes saying alright at Test level, that's fine. He is alright. That's all he is. Comparing his stats against the players you're mentioning since coming back isn't hard because the stats of Root, Bairstow and Stokes in that window are far from outstanding.

It's this ludicrous talk of him being one of the most talented batters at Test level, he gets good runs for only being a keeper when keepers tend to be big scorers and he's not in as a keeper to start with, he is shown disrespect and all the rest of this emotional nonsense.

Anyone would tell you the difference between being alright at Test batting and good is conversion, the difference between getting in and getting scores. He dosent get scores and I bet the precious scoring quickly theory hasn't led to even three wins.


I'm sorry but that's all the chat of someone who doesn't know much about Test cricket.
 
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Arrrrrrrgh bad shots getting four down third man Fine leg picking his nose
 
sonson said:
That's not my point man.

Saying hes saying alright at Test level, that's fine. He is alright. That's all he is. Comparing his stats against the players you're mentioning since coming back isn't hard because the stats of Root, Bairstow and Stokes in that window are far from outstanding.

It's this ludicrous talk of him being one of the most talented batters at Test level, he gets good runs for only being a keeper when keepers tend to be big scorers and he's not in as a keeper to start with, he is shown disrespect and all the rest of this emotional nonsense.

I'm sorry but that's all the chat of someone who doesn't know much about Test cricket.
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Nobody said is he one of the most talented batters at test level you have just made that up
 
99 lead

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Three down by the close?
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Voice of fair play said:
Nobody said is he one of the most talented batters at test level you have just made that up
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You said he was one of the most talented England players has produced at cricket all round

No-one disputing hes very good at one day

Hes average at Test level
That adds up to one of the most talented all round English players of all time?

Just express yourself properly rather than restoring to superlatives all the time man. It's like Donald Trump commentating on Test Cricket.
 
sonson said:
That's not my point man.

Saying hes saying alright at Test level, that's fine. He is alright. That's all he is. Comparing his stats against the players you're mentioning since coming back isn't hard because the stats of Root, Bairstow and Stokes in that window are far from outstanding.

It's this ludicrous talk of him being one of the most talented batters at Test level, he gets good runs for only being a keeper when keepers tend to be big scorers and he's not in as a keeper to start with, he is shown disrespect and all the rest of this emotional nonsense.

I'm sorry but that's all the chat of someone who doesn't know much about Test cricket.
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A line often used by people who can’t handle a counter argument and know little about test cricket! I’m not interested in how talented he is or whether he is or isn’t world class. I will argue that his record since he returned to test cricket is as good as any of his teammates and in my view deserves his place in the team. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
sonson said:
That's not my point man.

Saying hes saying alright at Test level, that's fine. He is alright. That's all he is. Comparing his stats against the players you're mentioning since coming back isn't hard because the stats of Root, Bairstow and Stokes in that window are far from outstanding.

It's this ludicrous talk of him being one of the most talented batters at Test level, he gets good runs for only being a keeper when keepers tend to be big scorers and he's not in as a keeper to start with, he is shown disrespect and all the rest of this emotional nonsense.

Anyone would tell you the difference between being alright at Test batting and good is conversion, the difference between getting in and getting scores. He dosent get scores and I bet the precious scoring quickly theory hasn't led to even three wins.


I'm sorry but that's all the chat of someone who doesn't know much about Test cricket.
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I think this argument is a bit too firmly put but ultimately correct. The statistic about Buttler doing better than most over the last twelve months says a lot more about this being easily the worst batting line-up England have had in my lifetime at test level.

I'd probably keep him in at seven and wicket keeper. Just about, though he'll still go into the next series under pressure, with Foakes breathing down his neck. And part of my thinking on that is driven by the fact I'd be looking to blood two top order batsman and bring Pope in - which is a hefty reconstruction anyway, without bringing in new bowlers and/or a new keeper too.
 
rentaghost said:
A line often used by people who can’t handle a counter argument and know little about test cricket! I’m not interested in how talented he is or whether he is or isn’t world class. I will argue that his record since he returned to test cricket is as good as any of his teammates and in my view deserves his place in the team. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Simple as that agreed.
 
sonson said:
You said he was one of the most talented England players has produced at cricket all round

No-one disputing hes very good at one day

Hes average at Test level
That adds up to one of the most talented all round English players of all time?

Just express yourself properly rather than restoring to superlatives all the time man. It's like Donald Trump commentating on Test Cricket.
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Just getting silly now, not here to trade insults prefer a bit craic about cricket.
 
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