SPUFF
Striker
Maybe smiler. But the loss plus the international weekend hasnt helped. Who knows. Livid about those 2 homes last week like.
Are we over or under achieving this season?
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Maybe smiler. But the loss plus the international weekend hasnt helped. Who knows. Livid about those 2 homes last week like.
McGregor
Winger
How's it bollocks? In our previous two matches alone we've had 13 and 15 players in the match day squad that weren't in the squad last season! So as far as squads go that's a massive overhaul. It's far from bollocks, we've got a new manager with as good as a new squad to except 4-5 youve mentioned.. The aim was promotion so how the.hell are we underachieving when top two is in our hands and play offs guaranteed.
Tbh its a miracle we're in the position we're in with the two centre backs we have playing for us.
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Get Into Em
Winger
I thought we'd be lower in the table.
McGregor
Winger
Yet you continue to ignore the fact that lately we've had comfortably more than half of our first 11 playing in our last team lately. Hume made one appearance last season. Honeyman was still shite last season. Maja made a handful of appearances
We signed league one players to compete in league one, there was no signing that stood out and screamed championship quality and screamed we should walk this league.
Sack_2021
Subs Bench
It will be a success but it will also be our lowest ever
I'll be over the moon however we go up if we do. The question remains, how can you call our lowest achievement "over achieving? 
MONTYMCPHAIL
Striker
It's not up for discussion, the fact that Sunderland AFC are currently playing in L1 tells you that we are MASSIVELY under achieving
Venkman
Striker
Absolutely. Look at our defence, a L2 CM at right back, two L1 reserves at CB. We have strong CM options yes and the best winger in the league - but the rest are pretty average. We also have a half fit Grigg up front and the other striker we spent money on has spent half the season injured.
We have a good squad, but not the amazing one people keep talking about.
two left feet
Midfield
History is irrelevant though - we are here from the last decades worth of problems and we are no longer the Bank of England club and have never been in my lifetime.
Our previous to this level is also absolutely irrelevant.
With the team changes, new ownership and problems we have had, this new start can have aspirations and desires but no cast iron guarantees.
Lord Alfred
Striker
It is bollocks. He had two full backs, two CM's, two wide players and a striker who were all first choice at the start of the season. That's 7 of 11. Have a look on Statcat and you'll see that 6 of the 10 outfield starters in the first few games were already at the club.....as well as 4 or 5 of the 7 subs.....and we got off to a flying start.
Barista
Full Back
I think we need to wait until the end of the season - if we go up automatically then can't argue with the outcome achieved.
If we go up via the play-offs then again it's objective achieved (but the manner of this would not fill me with confidence).
If we don't go up (fail in the play offs) then that is a definite under achievement and I would have serious doubts over whether Ross is the right man for the job.
I have two main concerns so far this season:
1) We have not improved since the autumn, no obvious style of play developing and if anything have slipped back a little while clubs such as Barnsley, Luton and Charlton (Charlton had all sorts of off-field problems at the start of the season) have improved as the season has gone on
2) Ross has not demonstrated any nous in player recruitment - only unqualified success out of numerous signings is our goalkeeper. Signing job lots of players from the Scottish pub leagues never works - Strachan signed a load of Celtic players for Boro in the championship and they struggled.
If we go up via the play-offs then again it's objective achieved (but the manner of this would not fill me with confidence).
If we don't go up (fail in the play offs) then that is a definite under achievement and I would have serious doubts over whether Ross is the right man for the job.
I have two main concerns so far this season:
1) We have not improved since the autumn, no obvious style of play developing and if anything have slipped back a little while clubs such as Barnsley, Luton and Charlton (Charlton had all sorts of off-field problems at the start of the season) have improved as the season has gone on
2) Ross has not demonstrated any nous in player recruitment - only unqualified success out of numerous signings is our goalkeeper. Signing job lots of players from the Scottish pub leagues never works - Strachan signed a load of Celtic players for Boro in the championship and they struggled.
Lord Alfred
Striker
Who's talking about cast iron guarantees? We're talking about expectations based on the history and size of the club coupled with the new debt free status and budget size relevant to our competitors. Fans of this club have every right to expect that those factors should ensure any stay in this league is a very short one.
Tongey
Winger
Its been a strange season, but its not over yet so impossible to say IMO. If we go up its been successful, if not then of course it would be disappointing. However, most seasons, the points total we look like we'll have would be enough for promotion. Still a lot can happen in the games that are left. We came into the season with a big unknown a lot of things. 1 thing the club has now is a bit of pride again. We have players who are willing to fight for the shirt and if we didnt go up, we should be in a very strong position (on the field) to do so next season. Hopefully we get up 1 way or another though this year
Because you have to understand the context. This time last year the club was on it's knees - double relegation and a disaffected squad, most of whom had no desire to be here and a fan base on the slide.It will be a success but it will also be our lowest ever
New owners, new manager and about 14 players on day one. We didn't sign anyone until late June - for us to be anywhere near ready to compete by August was a minor miracle.
Don't forget, McGeady missed the first 9 games of the season, and the midfield didn't really settle down until Leadbitter signed in Jan
We've also lost a lad who scored 16 goals in 26 starts
Agree 100%
ilovehorswill
Striker
If we don't finish top 2 we deserve it
If we hadn't drawn so many games we'd be sitting pretty
Overall we've overachieved but we've fallen short at totting up time
LineTrash
Striker
phillips10
Midfield
Before the season I’d have snapped your hands off for a play off place, now however I’d be extremely disappointed if we didn’t finish top 2.
Don’t think I could take another year of playing these poxy little shit house clubs.
Don’t think I could take another year of playing these poxy little shit house clubs.
we are in league one, with this huge budget championship clubs would be jealous of according to the owners. We should have walked away with this league.
By being capable of understanding the phrase ‘over achieving’ in the context of this season, per the thread title.It will be a success but it will also be our lowest ever
So falling short for you is not being promoted by mid-April? Or have you just decided already we are not going up?
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rentaghost
Striker
Yes I agree. If we had got off to a hangover of a start and gradually improved I wouldn't be so bothered. We now have team that looks easier to play against and less organized than we had in the first month of the season and that's the managers fault IMO.
A manager that had a solid start behind him and has McLaughlin, McGeady and the spending power to bring in the likes of Grigg and Wyke should be easily automatic promotion in this league.
