Are The Moralists Still Not Watching?


Sort of but sort of not. We can't make a significant contribution as individuals to anything. Agreements on the international stage also mean nothing if some are in while others are out. I'm happy for a wholesale change. A legal internationally binding framework of laws and standards (a bit like the EU :oops: ) where those inside refuse to engage with those on the outside. Don't trade with them, no sport etc. We may be worse off temporarily but in the long run the world would be a better place.

Sounds daft I know, but I can't be arsed to make an effort that makes no difference. Bit of a ramble I know :lol:

Seems a contradiction to suggest that then criticise people not watching the world cup, doesn't it? I know it's not much but if the England team (all teams tbh) had pulled out, as I believe they should have it would have sent a huge message
 
I'm autistic and look at things in a weird way. I see people making a stance on somethings and not others that are also immoral and it just doesn't compute. If there was a 'moral standard' that countries agreed on and were either in or out I'd go with it. Boycott anything to do with the bad lot and live happily ever after with the good lot. It doesn't work like that though and there's just too much cherry picking by everyone for me to care about any of it. I've got no problem with anyone making their private or public for that matter protest. I just look at the hypocrisy of it all.
It's not hypocrisy to take a stand over something but not over something else which you don't think as bad.
It's ridiculous imo to think that way , that because something bad happens in one country you can't be annoyed about something which you think is worse happening in another country.
It's not cherry picking.
Dictatorship states which border on fascism are where I draw the line. I'd hate not to be able to criticise this Tory government due to the fear of being imprisoned.
 
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Seems a contradiction to suggest that then criticise people not watching the world cup, doesn't it? I know it's not much but if the England team (all teams tbh) had pulled out, as I believe they should have it would have sent a huge message
It would be a contradiction had I ever criticised someone for not watching it.
 
Id feel safer walking the streets of Qatar than in USA....have you checked the homicide , burgalry , rape statistics in comparison......maybe you just one of these who believes everything you read in main stream media and feel a better human by jumping on a moral bandwagon.

By the way I live partly in Virginia in USA...I have a green card....and many of the middle eastern population who currently work there plan to go back to middle east for the safety of their children
I've lived in Texas
Spent loads of time in America. Never once felt unsafe.
Maybe you'd feel safer in Qatar but maybe a migrant worker or a homoosexual would feel safer in america.
I'd certainly feel safer criticising trump or biden in America than the prophet Mohammed or the royal family in Qatar
Don't tell me what I believe and tell me what I'm doing.
 
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I'm autistic and look at things in a weird way. I see people making a stance on somethings and not others that are also immoral and it just doesn't compute. If there was a 'moral standard' that countries agreed on and were either in or out I'd go with it. Boycott anything to do with the bad lot and live happily ever after with the good lot. It doesn't work like that though and there's just too much cherry picking by everyone for me to care about any of it. I've got no problem with anyone making their private or public for that matter protest. I just look at the hypocrisy of it all.
You have more of a problem with hypocrites, than fascist regimes that persecute gay people then? That is a bit weird to me. But, hey ho. Have a gud'n, I am off out!
 
It's not hypocrisy to take a stand over something but not over something else which you don't think as bad.
It's ridiculous imo to think that way , that because something bad happens in one country you can't be annoyed about something which you think is worse happening in another country.
It's not cherry picking.
Dictatorship states which border on fascism are where I draw the line. I'd hate not to be able to criticise this Tory government due to the fear of being imprisoned.
Agree.

I tell you what is an interesting question though. Is it hypocrisy for any of the Sunderland supporters who criticised and lambasted Newcastle for sports washing and getting into bed with Saudi to then go and watch the World Cup hosted by a regime thats pretty abhorrent as well?
 
Agree.

I tell you what is an interesting question though. Is it hypocrisy for any of the Sunderland supporters who criticised and lambasted Newcastle for sports washing and getting into bed with Saudi to then go and watch the World Cup hosted by a regime thats pretty abhorrent as well?
It's levels of hypocrisy.
People who went to the Russia world cup i assume didnt go thinking Putin a nice fella.
Newcastle fans can support newcastle without having to defend the Saudi regime, just as football lovers can go to Qatar or watch the world cup without defending or
liking the Qatar regime.
If Qatar bought safc I'd still watch safc , but thankfully I live in a county where I would be able to criticise the owners, which I would do , rather than defend them.
Or people may think that the Saudi state is far worse than the Qatar one, and Qatar just about palatable but saudi a step too far.
 
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It's not hypocrisy to take a stand over something but not over something else which you don't think as bad.
It's ridiculous imo to think that way , that because something bad happens in one country you can't be annoyed about something which you think is worse happening in another country.
It's not cherry picking.
Dictatorship states which border on fascism are where I draw the line. I'd hate not to be able to criticise this Tory government due to the fear of being imprisoned.
When deciding who to criticise and who you don't it simply comes down to someone's personal interests and therefore its done for their own benefit. It's ridiculous to not be concerned about things that are bad but slightly less bad.

And you can criticise the Qatari government, they deserve it, but why them when they are more progressive than most of its neighbouring countries? Like I said they are being singled out because its topical and no other reason.
 
You have more of a problem with hypocrites, than fascist regimes that persecute gay people then? That is a bit weird to me. But, hey ho. Have a gud'n, I am off out!
Nice of you to decide what I have more of a problem with. Makes you sound a bit fascist doesn't it? :lol:.
Why create a false narrative to put someone down. That's not very nice is it? Just because I have a problem with hypocrisy, does that mean I don't care about other issues?

You could have asked me instead of creating a malicious lie to drive an agenda.
 
This year the word of the forum appears to be whataboutery. Sadly there's been plenty of it here. Qatar invited criticism when it started this sportswashing campaign. If they aren't as bad as a neighbour or are worse than another that's irrelevant in this case. They are being judged by others as they have put the spotlight on themselves in order to try to cleanse their reputation, much like Russia 4 years ago.


Comparing them to another country like USA or suggesting people are hypocrites is whataboutery at its finest. Lots on here are acting for change on many fronts and it's stuff like this which is motivating them to do so.
 
Nice of you to decide what I have more of a problem with. Makes you sound a bit fascist doesn't it? :lol:.
Why create a false narrative to put someone down. That's not very nice is it? Just because I have a problem with hypocrisy, does that mean I don't care about other issues?

You could have asked me instead of creating a malicious lie to drive an agenda.
Think you need to look up what a fascist is.
When deciding who to criticise and who you don't it simply comes down to someone's personal interests and therefore its done for their own benefit. It's ridiculous to not be concerned about things that are bad but slightly less bad.

And you can criticise the Qatari government, they deserve it, but why them when they are more progressive than most of its neighbouring countries? Like I said they are being singled out because its topical and no other reason.
Because the world cup is being held there? Haven't you noticed?
 
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Im only quoting what Arabic people have told me....they feel safer in their own countries than in USA and feel concern for their children growing up in a society of drugs , race hatred and homicides....the majority of them are planning in returning to Middle east
Utter shite.
 
Think you need to look up what a fascist is.

Because the world cup is being held there? Haven't you noticed?
Think you need to look up what a fascist is.

Because the world cup is being held there? Haven't you noticed?
Do I need to look it up? Ah right :lol: Fascism is an ideology that is impossible to give an exact definition of. My interpretation would be an authoritarian regime that suppresses opposition and criticism, controls all aspects of state. They also usually create a narrative for how others perceive things that isn't necessarily true. The laughy face emoji may have suggested my comment was tongue in cheek but it is bordering on blatant dishonesty considering I hadn't implied what you had said. Is malicious liar a better way to term it because I hadn't suggested hypocrisy trumped oppression.

Ah yes it's held in Qatar. Maybe that's why I said it was topical and Qatar will be forgotten about when it's over :rolleyes:
 
you didnt watch a football match because the country thinks Homosexuality is a act against religion and God.....well thats up to you too....but we are talking about a sporting event and you have put your political view on one subject in front of that......good for you but I think all those footballers who were in Qatar where magnificent and you decided not to watch them because of an agenda that has nothing to do with football.

My concern for you is what other things do you not support and what other blocks do you put in place because if you dont then you are a hypocrite. For example:-

Russia and China - do you not use any products that come from that country - which pretty much is an awful lot like fuel , wheat , electricals etc.Other Middle east countries that produce oil and have oppressive regimes ....do you go about your life picking and choosing what to eat , buy and watch based on what country they are from....can you see how bizarre and hypocrtical you are
To me it is also about the football.

The world footballing governing body investigated countries bidding for the world cup and had Qatar at the bottom of the pile as not suitable, while also raising concerns about a number of the political issues in this thread. In a shock to everyone, FIFA awarded them the cup for reasons nobody has been able to explain. When investigated, all records of why the bid was won, all meeting minutes, everything was ‘lost’. This is corruption of football at the highest level. I do not want that in the game I love. I said many years ago when the cup was awarded that I would not watch and have stuck by that.
 
Hitler wasn't in power when Berlin was chosen but he certainly used the games politically. A warning to the world. His actions from 1933 onwards should have had the games cancelled or moved.
It was Goebbels that used the games for political ends.
 
Do I need to look it up? Ah right :lol: Fascism is an ideology that is impossible to give an exact definition of. My interpretation would be an authoritarian regime that suppresses opposition and criticism, controls all aspects of state. They also usually create a narrative for how others perceive things that isn't necessarily true. The laughy face emoji may have suggested my comment was tongue in cheek but it is bordering on blatant dishonesty considering I hadn't implied what you had said. Is malicious liar a better way to term it because I hadn't suggested hypocrisy trumped oppression.

Ah yes it's held in Qatar. Maybe that's why I said it was topical and Qatar will be forgotten about when it's over :rolleyes:
Yeah. When this is over I'll still not be watching any football in Qatar. And like I say, look up fascism again
 

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