Are most of the "bed wetters" young folk with memory loss?


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For years all I dreamt of was seeing us in the top flight whilst following us.

Also, we've been in this situation the last few seasons and managed to get out of it.

Not saying its good, its clearly not, but the reactions and meltdowns are embarrassing tbh.

Well your dream has turned into a f***ing nightmare. We will fully deserve relegation not if, but when it happens. I for one will embrace it with open arms because quite frankly, I'm pig sick of watching this shower of shite week in week out, it's f***ing embarrassing.
 
I have to agree with that. McNair, Love and Januzaj would have all been known to him. He employed the bloke from Chelsea (forgot his name) and we signed Papy two days later. Manquillo and Ndong have obviously been recommended by someone we have in France. Moyes will have agreed to sign them, but I would imagine, like all manager's, he'll have listened to the advice of others.

With whom I hope the club have severed their connection.

I got the impression Shorts beef was more with the FA.

I think Short already had fallen out with Allardyce. Hence the lack of any club statement thanking him for his work and wishing him well with England. Unless there was one and I missed it.
 
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I have to agree with that. McNair, Love and Januzaj would have all been known to him. He employed the bloke from Chelsea (forgot his name) and we signed Papy two days later. Manquillo and Ndong have obviously been recommended by someone we have in France. Moyes will have agreed to sign them, but I would imagine, like all manager's, he'll have listened to the advice of others.

Helen Keller???
 
We should stop these childish generalisations, for a start.

I'm not a bed-wetter or a happy clapper or any other stupid description. I'm just a fan - for 60 years now.

I don't want us to keep changing managers, but I've yet to see any sign at all that Moyes can do this. Not one single solitary sign.

I'm really wavering now.

All this bull about bedwetters and the like - basically Moyes hasn't done one thing to demonstrate he has a handle on what is going on or how to improve the team or performances. We look like we are going backwards. We can't sleepwalk down through the leagues and it would be madness and poor leadership if we just leave him to destroy our club.
 
Lots of the extra frustration and anger comes from the fact we ended last season finally in a strong position to progress to a solid mid-table team after years of rubbish. In the space of a few months we are right back to being utter dog shit. Injuries obviously been a big problem but the players that are available and picked play without any motivation or desire and seemingly without any clear game plan. So infuriating.
 
We should stop these childish generalisations, for a start.

I'm not a bed-wetter or a happy clapper or any other stupid description. I'm just a fan - for 60 years now.

I don't want us to keep changing managers, but I've yet to see any sign at all that Moyes can do this. Not one single solitary sign.

I'm really wavering now.

I was all for Moyes being appointed due to what he did at Everton, but his buying, oh dear oh dear !
Seemed very astute at Everton, so dont know wtf happened in last window. Dire, with a capital D.
Can he turn it around ?
Are the players with him ?
We'll know for sure in the next few weeks, but I'm not optimistic.
 
Sunderland has a good history and good support, we should be a top flight team imo but there's no divine right to be there . However after ten years in the top flight we are still fighting relegation and that simply isn't good enough , you can say what you like about us being in the third division etc but this is now and we have actually managed to dismantle a half decent side again like we did under Bruce ,and replace them with shite , this time we're going down And moyes looks utterly clueless.

I presume you're talking about the side that played the last half of last season under BSA. If so, M'Vila and Yedlin were loans - most in here felt that Yedlin was our weakest link and M'Vila may still come back but hasn't yet for what apparently are sound business reasons. We've also lost Kaboul for personal reasons - it's not like we initiated his sale. The rest of the players that featured regularly are still here, except Mannone, Kone, Kirchhoff, Cattermole, Larsson and Borini have missed multiple games due to injury. And now two new players - Januzaj and Denayer - are also out.

Moyes no doubt looks clueless because until the first team gets back together he has to try and get results from a team made up largely of reserves, some with very little top flight experience. We're only "doomed" if people seriously believe that the team that played yesterday is the one that will be playing every game this season, which is nonsense.

It's bizarre that injuries are equated with intentionally dismantling the team, but then some are also blaming Moyes for the injuries which is how idiotic this place gets at times.
 
it certainly seems that way radjee, its so poor at the moment i don't think its been this bad since 2005/2006
I agree. The squad is the poorest we have had for the last 10 years. Even over the last couple of years we knew we had decent players that just needed organising. This lot are just fuckin woeful !
Moyes may be making some mistakes but this all goes back to what he has been given from Short. I honestly don't believe that Short backed Moyes to the level he expected in the transfer window.

All this bull about bedwetters and the like - basically Moyes hasn't done one thing to demonstrate he has a handle on what is going on or how to improve the team or performances. We look like we are going backwards. We can't sleepwalk down through the leagues and it would be madness and poor leadership if we just leave him to destroy our club.
The man at the top is the one currently destroying our club and has been for the last 5 years !
 
I agree. The squad is the poorest we have had for the last 10 years. Even over the last couple of years we knew we had decent players that just needed organising. This lot are just fuckin woeful !
Moyes may be making some mistakes but this all goes back to what he has been given from Short. I honestly don't believe that Short backed Moyes to the level he expected in the transfer window.


The man at the top is the one currently destroying our club and has been for the last 5 years !

There did seem some frustation even from allardyce before he left for the england job, and moyes seems like a man who has the whole worlds problems on his shoulders at the moment, it reaks of defeat, kind of like a husband reading the credit card bill, a couple of weeks after he lend it to his wife a few weeks before. :lol:
 
Lots of the extra frustration and anger comes from the fact we ended last season finally in a strong position to progress to a solid mid-table team after years of rubbish. In the space of a few months we are right back to being utter dog shit. Injuries obviously been a big problem but the players that are available and picked play without any motivation or desire and seemingly without any clear game plan. So infuriating.
I'm hearing that we finished last season in a strong position, we finished 17th 2 points above the mags. Ok we had a good run towards the end of the season but we were extremely fortunate to stay up courtesy of Benitez and his over cautious tactics in their last few games. We still had issues with the squad and were a long way from a mid table team.
 
I'm hearing that we finished last season in a strong position, we finished 17th 2 points above the mags. Ok we had a good run towards the end of the season but we were extremely fortunate to stay up courtesy of Benitez and his over cautious tactics in their last few games. We still had issues with the squad and were a long way from a mid table team.
Form over the last 19 games was better than mid table.
 
Form over the last 19 games was better than mid table.
Good job it was or we'd have been playing championship football now. Going off the previous seasons where we managed to escape relegation by improving our form in the run in, we still managed to struggle to get many points at the start of the following season. Who's to say if Allardyce was still here that that would have continued to be the case?
 
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