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You really are thick as fuck. Ive backed my comments up. I said he wasn't a legend and stated my reasons why. The fact you choose to ignore my comments is your problem you absolute f***ing möng. You ate the one shouting about stats that you can't back up. Then come up with some boring comments about my inability to spot a footballer. Again, which football club pays your wages?

I've said arca was ok, nowt more. Never said he was shit, just over rated by many. As has been proven with throw away comments such as "legend".

Read my f***ing posts u numb fuck



He didn't contribute much for a legend.

You said he 'contributed vrtually nothing' you f***ing prick, which is what I was arguing against, not whether he was a legend or not. As for contributing nothing, in his best seasons in the Championship he scored six goals and nine goals when playing left midfield and left back one season and playing left midfield the next. How exactly is that 'contributing virtually nothing'? Makes you look a f***ing idiot.

As for his record of how well he done in those seasons when playing, compared to how we fared when he didn't, which I claimed, well if I can be arsed I'll do the research again just to make you look the mug you are.

You said he 'contributed virtually nothing' you absolute tool, which is what I've argued against from the start, then again when you said it again. Obviously you're not f***ing bright enough to realise that though, despite me constantly pointing it out.

tbf he also gave the ball away more than anyother player I can remember .
often in very dangerous positions as well. great lad but our inability to move him on because of his wage to ability level does not make him either a legend or a great service. makes him a nice lad who had a certain rapport with a large section of the crowd.

Don Hutchison gave the ball away more than any Sunderland player I can remember and no one said a word. The reason both done so it because most of our moves revolved around those players, so they had a lot of the ball in more condensed areas. It's a bit different from playing a sideways ball in the centre of the park.

He only really gave the ball away in dangerous areas on a few occasions, because he was more inclined to play the ball than hoof it.
 
You said he 'contributed vrtually nothing' you f***ing prick, which is what I was arguing against, not whether he was a legend or not. As for contributing nothing, in his best seasons in the Championship he scored six goals and nine goals when playing left midfield and left back one season and playing left midfield the next. How exactly is that 'contributing virtually nothing'? Makes you look a f***ing idiot.

As for his record of how well he done in those seasons when playing, compared to how we fared when he didn't, which I claimed, well if I can be arsed I'll do the research again just to make you look the mug you are.

You said he 'contributed virtually nothing' you absolute tool, which is what I've argued against from the start, then again when you said it again. Obviously you're not f***ing bright enough to realise that though, despite me constantly pointing it out.



Don Hutchison gave the ball away more than any Sunderland player I can remember and no one said a word. The reason both done so it because most of our moves revolved around those players, so they had a lot of the ball in more condensed areas. It's a bit different from playing a sideways ball in the centre of the park.

He only really gave the ball away in dangerous areas on a few occasions, because he was more inclined to play the ball than hoof it.

I'm actually embarrassed for you.
 
Arca was competent
nothing more
nothing less

Bit more than that but get where you're coming from on it.

Maybe it's because we saw him grow up from being a lad who couldn't last 90 minutes to becoming a premier league player, always gave 100%, became a supporter and has been loyal and complimentary to the club since he's left.

Will always have a soft spot for him but he's also not a legend in pure ability terms
 
Bit more than that but get where you're coming from on it.

Maybe it's because we saw him grow up from being a lad who couldn't last 90 minutes to becoming a premier league player, always gave 100%, became a supporter and has been loyal and complimentary to the club since he's left.

Will always have a soft spot for him but he's also not a legend in pure ability terms

Let's not over egg the pudding mate.
 
I'm embarrased for you. Having to resort to abuse on the internet as you've done, trying to be some kind of hard man, so I've responded in kind.

You claimed I was one of the 'muppets' who wanted Welsh in ahead of Arca. That is where the abuse started. You can have your sly little digs but get upset because the nasty man said a rudey on the internet? Then come back a couple of days later o vent your anger. Very disturbing.

Your problem is the fact that you can't let anybody have a differing opinion to you. You feel you have to force your opinion upon people. Arca was nothing more than a good Championship footballer. Maybe even a lower level Premiership footballer. My original point is that he wasn't a 'legend'. He done fuck all in a Sunderland shirt to make him a 'legend'.

Why is that so difficult to understand? If scoring 1 in 8 from midfield whilst in the Championship earns you legend status, then I'd like to welcome other legends such as Grant Leadbitter, Lee Clark, Alex Rae, Carlos Edwards and Liam Lawrence into the hall of fame.
 
You claimed I was one of the 'muppets' who wanted Welsh in ahead of Arca. That is where the abuse started. You can have your sly little digs but get upset because the nasty man said a rudey on the internet? Then come back a couple of days later o vent your anger. Very disturbing.

I said:
there was Muppets trying to tell us at the time he didn't score enough goals/whip enough balls In Etc, ignoring he was our playmaker.

If you're one of those then fair enough, but I never directly accused you of being one and it was a general comment aimed at those people because he was first our playmaker and secondly was actually scoring goals at those times anyway.

You had also started the 'sly digs' earlier when accusing me of making things up and when you wouldn't respond to being questioned (despite offering an opinion) and suggesting what I said was a boring comment.

I merely came on here today to see what else you had posted and saw a post full of abuse and so responded in kind. If you dont like that, then maybe you shouldn't throw it about as easily as you have done.
Your problem is the fact that you can't let anybody have a differing opinion to you. You feel you have to force your opinion upon people. Arca was nothing more than a good Championship footballer. Maybe even a lower level Premiership footballer. My original point is that he wasn't a 'legend'. He done fuck all in a Sunderland shirt to make him a 'legend'.

Seemingly you're exactly the same. See I never said Arca was a legend, but he was a top Championship player with ease and it's something you still wont admit (he was also voted in the Championship select side both seasons in there, looked absolute quality at full back and was one of the top three or four players in each of his two seasons there with us) and he had a enough to be comfortable at the top level for a few seasons.

Why is that so difficult to understand? If scoring 1 in 8 from midfield whilst in the Championship earns you legend status, then I'd like to welcome other legends such as Grant Leadbitter, Lee Clark, Alex Rae, Carlos Edwards and Liam Lawrence into the hall of fame.


Again you keep mentioning the word 'legend'. I never said he was. I was continually arguing against you underrating him alltogether and stating he 'contributed virtually nothing'. And one in eight from midfield?
 
I said:

If you're one of those then fair enough, but I never directly accused you of being one and it was a general comment aimed at those people because he was first our playmaker and secondly was actually scoring goals at those times anyway.

You had also started the 'sly digs' earlier when accusing me of making things up and when you wouldn't respond to being questioned (despite offering an opinion) and suggesting what I said was a boring comment.

I merely came on here today to see what else you had posted and saw a post full of abuse and so responded in kind. If you dont like that, then maybe you shouldn't throw it about as easily as you have done.


Seemingly you're exactly the same. See I never said Arca was a legend, but he was a top Championship player with ease and it's something you still wont admit (he was also voted in the Championship select side both seasons in there, looked absolute quality at full back and was one of the top three or four players in each of his two seasons there with us) and he had a enough to be comfortable at the top level for a few seasons.




Again you keep mentioning the word 'legend'. I never said he was. I was continually arguing against you underrating him alltogether and stating he 'contributed virtually nothing'. And one in eight from midfield?

The whole debate came up because I said he isn't a legend. He isn't.

For Sunderland in the league he scored 16 in 133 games. 1 in 8. Average.

I'm hellishly bored with this now. Feel free to throw abuse my way as my opinion differs. I literally couldn't give a flyer.

My point is summed up in that Arca was average, over-rated by many and no where near to being classed as a legend.
 
Perryqhill said:
He only really gave the ball away in dangerous areas on a few occasions, because he was more inclined to play the ball than hoof it.

do you agree his poor decision making especially at full back was a weakness?
 
I suppose we're a bit more accustomed to better players these days but I loved Julio.

Would be in my top 5 favourite SAFC players.

Hopefully AJ can add himself to that.
 
do you agree his poor decision making especially at full back was a weakness?

At a higher level it was for Boro and stopped him playing there regularly.


Not something in evidence to any real effect there for us.

The whole debate came up because I said he isn't a legend. He isn't.

For Sunderland in the league he scored 16 in 133 games. 1 in 8. Average.

I'm hellishly bored with this now. Feel free to throw abuse my way as my opinion differs. I literally couldn't give a flyer.

My point is summed up in that Arca was average, over-rated by many and no where near to being classed as a legend.

I continually said I was arguing about your comment (which you said at least twice) of: "making no real contribution" because it was bollocks. Not whether or not he was a legend. Because of you making that comment, I centered on mostly two seasons (because of you saying he was ok/average at Championship level), which is why in the context of my argument the two seasons where he got six and then nine goals were totally relevant, not really the 1 in 8 which you're now talking about (though overall his record was 1 in every 7.6 games. Actually 1 goal every 8 games for a winger / midfielder, if playing a full season, would be about five a season, which isn't too bad anyway.

As for chucking abuse, you started and continued with that.

The 'point' you were apparently trying to make about him not being a legend was actually quite ironic, because to make the point he was overrated by many (which he was) you had to go overboard underrating him.
 
Perspective children.

Arca is a legend to a family member of mine because he was a) Argie (and therefore 'exotic') :eek:, b) quite good, c) always had time for him and d) was one the few SAFC players who could get him out of his seat when he went on his mazy (circular) dribbles :lol:

Arca is a proto-legend to me for f***ing Shearer.

It's hardly as if we're blessed with a plethora of 'legends' to choose from is it? Ball anyone? Bolton? McCoist? Watson? Tueart? No. We've got (probably) Montgomery, Hurley and Phillips for what they did on the field and Quinn for what he did off it. I can't comment on Gurney/Carter and beyond never having seen them play.
 
At a higher level it was for Boro and stopped him playing there regularly.


Not something in evidence to any real effect there for us.



I continually said I was arguing about your comment (which you said at least twice) of: "making no real contribution" because it was bollocks. Not whether or not he was a legend. Because of you making that comment, I centered on mostly two seasons (because of you saying he was ok/average at Championship level), which is why in the context of my argument the two seasons where he got six and then nine goals were totally relevant, not really the 1 in 8 which you're now talking about (though overall his record was 1 in every 7.6 games. Actually 1 goal every 8 games for a winger / midfielder, if playing a full season, would be about five a season, which isn't too bad anyway.

As for chucking abuse, you started and continued with that.

The 'point' you were apparently trying to make about him not being a legend was actually quite ironic, because to make the point he was overrated by many (which he was) you had to go overboard underrating him.

That's just not true though Perry. I said "He had a very good season in the championship" and that he was a top Championship/Lower level Premiership player.

The abuse started with your assumption of 'muppets' wanting Andy Welsh in ahead of Arca. Or you judging my ability to 'spot a footballer'.

Where did I under rate Arca? I've said exactly what he was. At best a lower level Premiership footballer, now giving that he's spent most of his career getting promoted and relegated I'd say I'm not far off the mark. I never under rated him. so no irony whatsoever.

Perspective children.

Arca is a legend to a family member of mine because he was a) Argie (and therefore 'exotic') :eek:, b) quite good, c) always had time for him and d) was one the few SAFC players who could get him out of his seat when he went on his mazy (circular) dribbles :lol:

Arca is a proto-legend to me for f***ing Shearer.

It's hardly as if we're blessed with a plethora of 'legends' to choose from is it? Ball anyone? Bolton? McCoist? Watson? Tueart? No. We've got (probably) Montgomery, Hurley and Phillips for what they did on the field and Quinn for what he did off it. I can't comment on Gurney/Carter and beyond never having seen them play.

McCoist?!
 
Feel free to kick-off again if you wish. :lol:

"Kick-off" indeed...what a depressing, abuse-laden thread largely featuring two contributors, supposedly both Sunderland fans, demolishing each other over a pointless argument.
I've trawled through all these posts and what is crystal clear is this: Arca should not be regarded as a Sunderland legend because he mostly played in very, very poor safc teams and he was far, far too one-paced to be a really top player. He had a nice left foot and I am sure he deserves to be remembered fondly for lighting up some very dark days.
Similarly Kevin Ball played most of his football on Wearside at Championship/First Divison level but gave everything for the cause. He was limited but whole-hearted and we rightly took to him. Legend? No way.
Both, as has been suggested already, are cult heroes.... popular for their time at the club. Not legends.
A legend has to be something special. In relative terms, as success has been thin on the ground, I'd say in my lifetime the whole of the 1973 side deserves legendary status for obvious reasons. I'd add to that Charlie Hurley, Brian Clough, Bob Stokoe, Kevin Phillips, Niall Quinn - and Gary Rowell might just nudge close to it...but, as I said, it's relative. Someone with Gary's playing record would struggle to get even a footnote in, say, Manchester United's list of legends.
Now...can we all calm down and remember we're supposed to be on the same side here?
And for a change, our side is looking pretty damned decent at the start of this season.
Time to kiss and make up.
 
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"Kick-off" indeed...what a depressing, abuse-laden thread largely featuring two contributors, supposedly both Sunderland fans, demolishing each other over a pointless argument.
I've trawled through all these posts and what is crystal clear is this: Arca should not be regarded as a Sunderland legend because he mostly played in very, very poor safc teams and he was far, far too one-paced to be a really top player. He had a nice left foot and I am sure he deserves to be remembered fondly for lighting up some very dark days.
Similarly Kevin Ball played most of his football on Wearside at Championship/First Divison level but gave everything for the cause. He was limited but whole-hearted and we rightly took to him. Legend? No way.
Both, as has been suggested already, are cult heroes.... popular for their time at the club. Not legends.
A legend has to be something special. In relative terms, as success has been thin on the ground, I'd say in my lifetime the whole of the 1973 side deserves legendary status for obvious reasons. I'd add to that Charlie Hurley, Brian Clough, Bob Stokoe, Kevin Phillips, Niall Quinn - and Gary Rowell might just nudge close to it...but, as I said, it's relative. Someone with Gary's playing record would struggle to get even a footnote in, say, Manchester United's list of legends.
Now...can we all calm down and remember we're supposed to be on the same side here?
And for a change, our side is looking pretty damned decent at the start of this season.
Time to kiss and make up.

Wholeheartedly agree. Apart from the necking on bit.
 
I can understand a youngster thinking of Arca as a legend, mainly because that youngster has very little to compare him to.
In the bigger picture, of course he should not be labelled a legend, but not everyone shares us owldies experience ;)
 
I can understand a youngster thinking of Arca as a legend, mainly because that youngster has very little to compare him to.
In the bigger picture, of course he should not be labelled a legend, but not everyone shares us owldies experience ;)

I agree, however I'd not necessarily class myself as an 'owldy'.

Edit: Shit, just realised who I'm responding to, I now disagree. Julio is a legend.
 
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