Jack Torrance
Striker
Capello. Worked well last time@chriswallace85 so who is this proper manager you speak of![]()
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Capello. Worked well last time@chriswallace85 so who is this proper manager you speak of![]()
Couldn’t give a shit what they may have been in the past. They aren’t good managers now at all. Neither is Southgate, or Martinez, who you somehow keep forgetting to includeAre you saying Enrique and Low aren't good managers (or haven't been good managers)? Seriously...
I dunno if extrapolation is the word - exageration ? Doesn't matter - I understand. I always remember a case with Johan Cruff - he gave massive exposure to a young kid called Lucendo, giving him a lot of responsibility to him when he was only 17 (iirc) - the kid couldn't handle it and disappeared (he ended up playing in Andorra). Here it was always referred to as the "Lucendo case" - Pep Guardiola has this in mind in his very careful nurturing of Phil Foden. It will take Saka long time to get over this game - it was far too big for him and he crumbled.
Football has moved on massively in terms of the way it deals with these things though. Saka has played 80+ games for Arsenal over the last two seasons so he's used to pressure. He'll view this as a learning experience. The club will guide him through this. I think you make a good point about Guardiola with Foden BTW, although, at the same time, I don't think Foden looked quite the player he is with City when playing in this tournament.
That's the whole problem, my misgivings seem to be totally justified. The biggest shit of all though, was Foden's injury - not Southgate's fault - I even think he would have started him, had he been fit.
As I've since said, frustration got the better of me after the game. The English talent pool is pretty low when it comes to managers. Unfortunately we seem to produce more pundits than managers.@chriswallace85 so who is this proper manager you speak of![]()
Well not at fukcing right winger, he didn't!!!
Im not sure Foden would have made much difference…. too lightweight against a very physical Italian side….but Sancho and Rashford’s pace running at an old Italian defence could have made a difference
Fair enough mateAs I've since said, frustration got the better of me after the game. The English talent pool is pretty low when it comes to managers. Unfortunately we seem to produce more pundits than managers.
I really haven't. I was desperate for us to win.
Italy took control a lot sooner than the second half.
Isn't one of the problems there that Foden and Sterling both play in the same position? Neither is as comfortable on the right as the left.
Wrong. Foden is the brightest prospect in English football for years - he's very quick and deceptively strong.
Couldn’t give a shit what they may have been in the past. They aren’t good managers now at all. Neither is Southgate, or Martinez, who you somehow keep forgetting to include
Sterling plays well on both sides - he has played a lot on the right. They can also interchange positions. Foden could well have played in Mount's position, who, yesterday, tried 100% but didn't have a"good" day.
Not sure that Rashford is in particularly great form at the moment.Im not sure Foden would have made much difference…. too lightweight against a very physical Italian side….but Sancho and Rashford’s pace running at an old Italian defence could have made a difference
You’ve drifted so far down your rant you can’t even recall my initial point if you don’t know why I’m including Martinez.I never said Martinez was a good manager mate, you're moving the goalposts to include him, i'm not sure why.
What're you on about?
You tried claiming the likes of Enrique and Lowe were bad appointments because they don't match up to Mancini.
Well Lowe has very much proven he wasn't a bad appointment, obviously.
And Enrique took Spain to the semi-final, when for the last 9 years they've been miles from that standard. And in that semi-final, they were the better team against Mancini's Italy and lost on penalties.
So how does that work?
Mancini, this genius manager so far ahead of everyone else (especially shit managers like Southgate and Enrique), can only beat Southgate and Enrique on penalties.
Strange that
Southgate has done a decent job but nothing startling.
We‘ve benefitted from very kind fixtures in the last two major tournaments which have assisted our route to the latter stages of both.
In all honesty I think we we’re probably the fourth or fifth best side at this Euro’s.
I‘d say the best side won the tournament and then Spain, Belgium and the French were probably slightly ahead of England.
If we’d had to face the same fixtures the Italian’s had I’d imagine the Belgians would have knocked us out.
If, as expected, we persist with Southgate it will be interesting to see how we fare in the event of a not so kind drawer in Quatar.
Aye, it's funny how we were lucky to avoid Germany and the other teams in the 'Group of Death'.France got knocked out by Switzerland mate. Those 'kind' draws don't always help do they?
We didn't have the most difficult draw in the world, but we fell into that half of the draw because we won a group consisting of the WC Finalists, and another QF from this tournament. We then had to play a team from the 'group of death' in the next round, so it wasn't like Germany in 2002.