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Are you saying Enrique and Low aren't good managers (or haven't been good managers)? Seriously...
Couldn’t give a shit what they may have been in the past. They aren’t good managers now at all. Neither is Southgate, or Martinez, who you somehow keep forgetting to include
 
I dunno if extrapolation is the word - exageration ? Doesn't matter - I understand. I always remember a case with Johan Cruff - he gave massive exposure to a young kid called Lucendo, giving him a lot of responsibility to him when he was only 17 (iirc) - the kid couldn't handle it and disappeared (he ended up playing in Andorra). Here it was always referred to as the "Lucendo case" - Pep Guardiola has this in mind in his very careful nurturing of Phil Foden. It will take Saka long time to get over this game - it was far too big for him and he crumbled.

Football has moved on massively in terms of the way it deals with these things though. Saka has played 80+ games for Arsenal over the last two seasons so he's used to pressure. He'll view this as a learning experience. The club will guide him through this. I think you make a good point about Guardiola with Foden BTW, although, at the same time, I don't think Foden looked quite the player he is with City when playing in this tournament.
 
Football has moved on massively in terms of the way it deals with these things though. Saka has played 80+ games for Arsenal over the last two seasons so he's used to pressure. He'll view this as a learning experience. The club will guide him through this. I think you make a good point about Guardiola with Foden BTW, although, at the same time, I don't think Foden looked quite the player he is with City when playing in this tournament.

Well not at fukcing right winger, he didn't!!!
 
That's the whole problem, my misgivings seem to be totally justified. The biggest shit of all though, was Foden's injury - not Southgate's fault - I even think he would have started him, had he been fit.

Im not sure Foden would have made much difference…. too lightweight against a very physical Italian side….but Sancho and Rashford’s pace running at an old Italian defence could have made a difference
 
Southgate has done a decent job but nothing startling.

We‘ve benefitted from very kind fixtures in the last two major tournaments which have assisted our route to the latter stages of both.

In all honesty I think we we’re probably the fourth or fifth best side at this Euro’s.

I‘d say the best side won the tournament and then Spain, Belgium and the French were probably slightly ahead of England.

If we’d had to face the same fixtures the Italian’s had I’d imagine the Belgians would have knocked us out.

If, as expected, we persist with Southgate it will be interesting to see how we fare in the event of a not so kind drawer in Quatar.
 
Im not sure Foden would have made much difference…. too lightweight against a very physical Italian side….but Sancho and Rashford’s pace running at an old Italian defence could have made a difference

Wrong. Foden is the brightest prospect in English football for years - he's very quick and deceptively strong.
 
I really haven't. I was desperate for us to win.

Italy took control a lot sooner than the second half.

You have a bit though - the whole tournament you've been itching to slate Southgate, I know we've had a few discussions.

The fact you're straight on here after, gloating about how 'shit' Southgate is, indicates you were clearly waiting for him to fail as you 'always knew' or something.

I'd say first half we were pretty much in control - Italy had more of the ball but weren't scaring us at all and we were trying to break but unfortunately their defence didn't give our forwards a kick. Second half, especially when Mancini made the changes he did, Italy took control and we struggled. By the time we got back into the game they'd equalised.

It happens - Mancini deserves praise because he made that little shift which put us on the back foot. On the other hand, Southgate outsmarted Mancini pre-game and his tactics from the start were better.
Then Italy won on penalties.
It happens mate, teams lose. It doesn't always have to be somebodies fault.
 
Isn't one of the problems there that Foden and Sterling both play in the same position? Neither is as comfortable on the right as the left.


Sterling plays well on both sides - he has played a lot on the right. They can also interchange positions. Foden could well have played in Mount's position, who, yesterday, tried 100% but didn't have a"good" day.
 
Couldn’t give a shit what they may have been in the past. They aren’t good managers now at all. Neither is Southgate, or Martinez, who you somehow keep forgetting to include

I never said Martinez was a good manager mate, you're moving the goalposts to include him, i'm not sure why.

What're you on about?
You tried claiming the likes of Enrique and Lowe were bad appointments because they don't match up to Mancini.
Well Lowe has very much proven he wasn't a bad appointment, obviously.
And Enrique took Spain to the semi-final, when for the last 9 years they've been miles from that standard. And in that semi-final, they were the better team against Mancini's Italy and lost on penalties.
So how does that work?

Mancini, this genius manager so far ahead of everyone else (especially shit managers like Southgate and Enrique), can only beat Southgate and Enrique on penalties.

Strange that
 
Pundits are usually failed managers/coaches. I think Southgate has not done badly tbh. He is a 1000% increase on Woy that is for sure. Despite what people may think there is an elite set of people in the game and that is why you don't get the likes of Harryboy anywhere near the England job. Within the FA there will be a small group at the top who make the decisions.
 
Sterling plays well on both sides - he has played a lot on the right. They can also interchange positions. Foden could well have played in Mount's position, who, yesterday, tried 100% but didn't have a"good" day.

Yeah, I suspect that Foden might have played yesterday if not injured.Mount's selection was an oddity. I think it seemed to be for continuity. He has played that role for Chelsea but more regularly is the more advanced member of a midfield three.
 
I never said Martinez was a good manager mate, you're moving the goalposts to include him, i'm not sure why.

What're you on about?
You tried claiming the likes of Enrique and Lowe were bad appointments because they don't match up to Mancini.
Well Lowe has very much proven he wasn't a bad appointment, obviously.
And Enrique took Spain to the semi-final, when for the last 9 years they've been miles from that standard. And in that semi-final, they were the better team against Mancini's Italy and lost on penalties.
So how does that work?

Mancini, this genius manager so far ahead of everyone else (especially shit managers like Southgate and Enrique), can only beat Southgate and Enrique on penalties.

Strange that
You’ve drifted so far down your rant you can’t even recall my initial point if you don’t know why I’m including Martinez.

Spain have a much better team than Italy on the ball, hence they dominated the game. Not sure why that’s a surprise to you.

You’re just chatting shit though, so I’m out
 
Southgate has done a decent job but nothing startling.

We‘ve benefitted from very kind fixtures in the last two major tournaments which have assisted our route to the latter stages of both.

In all honesty I think we we’re probably the fourth or fifth best side at this Euro’s.

I‘d say the best side won the tournament and then Spain, Belgium and the French were probably slightly ahead of England.

If we’d had to face the same fixtures the Italian’s had I’d imagine the Belgians would have knocked us out.

If, as expected, we persist with Southgate it will be interesting to see how we fare in the event of a not so kind drawer in Quatar.

France got knocked out by Switzerland mate. Those 'kind' draws don't always help do they?

We didn't have the most difficult draw in the world, but we fell into that half of the draw because we won a group consisting of the WC Finalists, and another QF from this tournament. We then had to play a team from the 'group of death' in the next round, so it wasn't like Germany in 2002.
 
France got knocked out by Switzerland mate. Those 'kind' draws don't always help do they?

We didn't have the most difficult draw in the world, but we fell into that half of the draw because we won a group consisting of the WC Finalists, and another QF from this tournament. We then had to play a team from the 'group of death' in the next round, so it wasn't like Germany in 2002.
Aye, it's funny how we were lucky to avoid Germany and the other teams in the 'Group of Death'.

Then when we play Germany in the knock rounds they suddenly become a bunch of no hopers who we were lucky to play. :lol:
 
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