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Thought Madley was okay yesterday.Seemed to give them more of the 50/50's but I feared for big Vic when he blew up for the incident where he handed off the Watford lad who rolled around clutching his face. He was in a very good position and saw that Vic had caught him top of the chest and near his throat. Didn't even give a free-kick, although in a perfect world he would have booked the cheating twat who was clutching his face
 
I simply don't know how much more evidence people need to realise that help is needed and without that help these mistakes will continue to be made,it is clear as f***ing day.



Who is in the better position?

Surely the official in the best position should be the one making the call,hence get the blame?



It's moved on mate,every fucker has agreed he had a bad game yesterday.
So you agree he was wank but still try and defend him!

You say they need help, I agree with that but why don't they make these glaring errors against certain teams?
 
How can a professional referee not stamp out the blatant cheating, player dives, no free kick given but doesn't book him for cheating! They do themselves no favours, they all enjoy being the centre of attention but are not held accountable for f***ing up basic decisions.

You and the other expert bang the same drum on this subject every time it appears, the bottom line is some referees are not up to the required standard, that is a fact.

The answer is simple because at one look,one speed,one angle and players so good at diving it is too hard to spot all the time, that is proven.

There will be simply loads and loads of times we there simply not sure enough under the circumstances.
 
How can a professional referee not stamp out the blatant cheating, player dives, no free kick given but doesn't book him for cheating! They do themselves no favours, they all enjoy being the centre of attention but are not held accountable for f***ing up basic decisions.

You and the other expert bang the same drum on this subject every time it appears, the bottom line is some referees are not up to the required standard, that is a fact.


I think he is generally a good referee but he missed a trick by not booking the Watford player for a blatant dive as this was an opportunity to stamp it out.
 
The answer is simple because at one look,one speed,one angle and players so good at diving it is too hard to spot all the time, that is proven.

There will be simply loads and loads of times we there simply not sure enough under the circumstances.
So people in the crowd can point out blatant dives from fuckin miles away but a so called professional who is up with play and sometimes only a yard or two away can't see it.

Do you agree some referees are not up to the required standard?
 
The answer is simple because at one look,one speed,one angle and players so good at diving it is too hard to spot all the time, that is proven.

There will be simply loads and loads of times we there simply not sure enough under the circumstances.


Disagree with this. I was in the stands a long way away and it was very obvious. One of the most blatant dives I have seen. Ref must have thought it too as he waved play on but missed his chance to take action which may have stamped the play acting out.
 
I think he is generally a good referee but he missed a trick by not booking the Watford player for a blatant dive as this was an opportunity to stamp it out.
Agreed, when refs see them dive but don't book them for cheating doesn't do anything to stamp it out.

They don't help themselves.
 
So people in the crowd can point out blatant dives from fuckin miles away but a so called professional who is up with play and sometimes only a yard or two away can't see it.

Do you agree some referees are not up to the required standard?

What I think is that the people who do decide who is a ref in the premier league, have miles more information than you or I do to make that decision,in other words they are the experts not me or you.

Therefore that is good enough for me, not sure what the required standard is mate?

What I am convinced off unless technology is introduced these mistakes will continue to happen nothing is more sure.

We are totally at cross purposes, you think more mistakes prove not up to standard, I think more mistakes prove its too difficult,if the best in the land make too many mistakes that is my conclusion.

Agreed, when refs see them dive but don't book them for cheating doesn't do anything to stamp it out.

They don't help themselves.

How about banning people after watching replays so you know without a shadow of doubt they dived,would that not help refs.

Disagree with this. I was in the stands a long way away and it was very obvious. One of the most blatant dives I have seen. Ref must have thought it too as he waved play on but missed his chance to take action which may have stamped the play acting out.

Mine was more of a general point than that particular instance.

So you agree he was wank but still try and defend him!

You say they need help, I agree with that but why don't they make these glaring errors against certain teams?

They do why do you think Moruinho gets banned all the time.
 
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What I think is that the people who do decide who is a ref in the premier league, have miles more information than you or I do to make that decision,in other words they are the experts not me or you.

Therefore that is good enough for me, not sure what the required standard is mate?

What I am convinced off unless technology is introduced these mistakes will continue to happen nothing is more sure.

We are totally at cross purposes, you think more mistakes prove not up to standard, I think more mistakes prove its too difficult,if the best in the land make too many mistakes that is my conclusion.



How about banning people after watching replays so you know without a shadow of doubt they dived,would that not help refs.



Mine was more of a general point than that particular instance.



They do why do you think Moruinho gets banned all the time.


My problem with them is they miss opportunities to make their point. Like yesterday the dive was the umpteenth time one of their players had gone over too easily if he had taken strong action at this point he was sending a signal he wasn't going to stand for it. It's the same with swearing they say it won't be tolerated but then allow Rooney to swear at them and do nowt and don't get me started on the fact that that they never give pens when a player is fouled but doesn't go down thus encouraging them to cheat.
 
What I think is that the people who do decide who is a ref in the premier league, have miles more information than you or I do to make that decision,in other words they are the experts not me or you.

Therefore that is good enough for me, not sure what the required standard is mate?

What I am convinced off unless technology is introduced these mistakes will continue to happen nothing is more sure.

We are totally at cross purposes, you think more mistakes prove not up to standard, I think more mistakes prove its too difficult,if the best in the land make too many mistakes that is my conclusion.



How about banning people after watching replays so you know without a shadow of doubt they dived,would that not help refs.



Mine was more of a general point than that particular instance.



They do why do you think Moruinho gets banned all the time.
He gets banned because he tells people interviewing him that the refs are basically shite and make far too many errors, the FA then decide people can't slag a ref for being shite and punish him, I think that's basically what happens.

Players should be retrospectively punished for diving, the referee should also book a player for diving when he and 40,000 other people seen it, like I said they do themselves no favours.

It's human nature they'll make mistakes but some of them are f***ing shocking errors and they're not one offs, there's been some woeful refereeing performances this season at home.
 
My problem with them is they miss opportunities to make their point. Like yesterday the dive was the umpteenth time one of their players had gone over too easily if he had taken strong action at this point he was sending a signal he wasn't going to stand for it. It's the same with swearing they say it won't be tolerated but then allow Rooney to swear at them and do nowt and don't get me started on the fact that that they never give pens when a player is fouled but doesn't go down thus encouraging them to cheat.

Can see some of them points,but the last one simply does not stand up, it is the players cheating in the first place that means a ref is not certain of giving a pen in them circumstances not the other way round!

If players never dived in the first place it would be easier to identify them decisions that is without doubt.

He gets banned because he tells people interviewing him that the refs are basically shite and make far too many errors, the FA then decide people can't slag a ref for being shite and punish him, I think that's basically what happens.

Players should be retrospectively punished for diving, the referee should also book a player for diving when he and 40,000 other people seen it, like I said they do themselves no favours.

It's human nature they'll make mistakes but some of them are f***ing shocking errors and they're not one offs, there's been some woeful refereeing performances this season at home.

He does not tell people refs are shite,he does not care about the bigger picture one little bit, he just complains when his team does not get decisions whether right or wrong, he sometimes gets banned because he is a prick and just wants his own way.

He goes on like a total prick complaining about pen decisions when he is 40 yards away on the touchline and cannot possibly tell whether he is right or wrong.

They is no doubt you are right there will be occasions where refs bottle it during a game and should book a player, but there is also no doubt there will also be plenty of times simply not sure enough to go it with one look.
 
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Can see some of them points,but the last one simply does not stand up, it is the players cheating in the first place that means a ref is not certain of giving a pen in them circumstances not the other way round!

If players never dived in the first place it would be easier to identify them decisions that is without doubt.



He does not tell people refs are shite,he does not care about the bigger picture one little bit, he just complains when his team does not get decisions whether right or wrong, he sometimes gets banned because he is a prick and just wants his own way.

He goes on like a total prick complaining about pen decisions when he is 40 yards away on the touchline and cannot possibly tell whether he is right or wrong.

They is no doubt you are right there will be occasions where refs bottle it during a game and should book a player, but there is also no doubt there will also be plenty of times simply not sure enough to go it with one look.
I couldn't give a fuck about any other manager, I couldn't give a fuck about the 'bigger picture' whatever the fuck that is. I care about my club and some shocking refereeing performances I've witnessed so far this season.

I give a fuck that your mate Bobby bottled to book players who were blatantly diving time and time again. How dare a manager complain when decisions go against his team. These refs get far too much protection and are very rarely if at all held responsible for fuck ups.
 
I couldn't give a fuck about any other manager, I couldn't give a fuck about the 'bigger picture' whatever the fuck that is. I care about my club and some shocking refereeing performances I've witnessed so far this season.

I give a fuck that your mate Bobby bottled to book players who were blatantly diving time and time again. How dare a manager complain when decisions go against his team. These refs get far too much protection and are very rarely if at all held responsible for fuck ups.

Managers deliberately send their players out to cheat,put pressure on refs before the match,berate a fourth official who have fuck all to do with the decisions, yet then have the bare faced cheek to complain about honest mistakes, yeah you right how dare managers complain about decisions going against their team.

Here is a novel thought maybe if there did not send out players to cheat less mistakes would be made and there would have less to complain about, they create part of the problem then complain about it!!!

In your honest opinion mate,if refs were dropped for these mistakes do you think the refs that replaced them would not make the same mistakes?

I couldn't give a fuck about any other manager, I couldn't give a fuck about the 'bigger picture' whatever the fuck that is. I care about my club and some shocking refereeing performances I've witnessed so far this season.

I give a fuck that your mate Bobby bottled to book players who were blatantly diving time and time again. How dare a manager complain when decisions go against his team. These refs get far too much protection and are very rarely if at all held responsible for fuck ups.

Your point seems to be blaming a ref for not spotting the cheating rather than blaming the cheat in the first place.

Maybe Madley should have spotted the dive however that was a mistakes, the player however purposefully decided to dive.

What is worse deliberately cheating or failing or bottling making a decision?

My problem with them is they miss opportunities to make their point. Like yesterday the dive was the umpteenth time one of their players had gone over too easily if he had taken strong action at this point he was sending a signal he wasn't going to stand for it. It's the same with swearing they say it won't be tolerated but then allow Rooney to swear at them and do nowt and don't get me started on the fact that that they never give pens when a player is fouled but doesn't go down thus encouraging them to cheat.

How about a player does not dive in the first place, how about a player does not swear at a ref in the first place.

Just a thought maybe them players can take responbility fot their actions, rather than blaming another person.
 
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Managers deliberately send their players out to cheat,put pressure on refs before the match,berate a fourth official who have fuck all to do with the decisions, yet then have the bare faced cheek to complain about honest mistakes, yeah you right how dare managers complain about decisions going against their team.

Here is a novel thought maybe if there did not send out players to cheat less mistakes would be made and there would have less to complain about, they create part of the problem then complain about it!!!

In your honest opinion mate,if refs were dropped for these mistakes do you think the refs that replaced them would not make the same mistakes?



Your point seems to be blaming a ref for not spotting the cheating rather than blaming the cheat in the first place.

Maybe Madley should have spotted the dive however that was a mistakes, the player however purposefully decided to dive.

What is worse deliberately cheating or failing or bottling making a decision?



How about a player does not dive in the first place, how about a player does not swear at a ref in the first place.

Just a thought maybe them players can take responbility fot their actions, rather than blaming another person.
Madley obviously saw it hence not giving a free kick to the Watford player, no foul, clear dive but fails to them book the player for a dive, he's fuck up for not booking the player for diving.
 
Madley obviously saw it hence not giving a free kick to the Watford player, no foul, clear dive but fails to them book the player for a dive, he's fuck up for not booking the player for diving.

Like I said the culutre of football is all fucked up.

In most other sports when a player cheats he gets the blame in football the ref gets the blame.

Just totally the wrong way round mate, let's not blame the diver/cheat let's blame the bloke not spottong or in this case not booking the player for cheating.

How about blaming the cheat in the first place if he did not dive on the first place no decision would have to made.

Is it not possible he was not sure of a foul so did not give it for that reason, is it not possible that loads of times because of the pace of the game the ref is simply not sure so does not give a foul or a booking?

Either way imo whichever way you look at it surely a player taking a dive should get more blame than the ref

Do you not think so?
 
I couldn't give a fuck about any other manager, I couldn't give a fuck about the 'bigger picture' whatever the fuck that is. I care about my club and some shocking refereeing performances I've witnessed so far this season.

I give a fuck that your mate Bobby bottled to book players who were blatantly diving time and time again. How dare a manager complain when decisions go against his team. These refs get far too much protection and are very rarely if at all held responsible for fuck ups.

Stop going on like a tit man. How many times did that player blatantly dive time and time again? Was it once? Was it missed by the referee? Yes - is that a scandal? No not really. Will there by more mistakes in the next game you see? More than likely. Mind you when he gave us that penalty against the mags last year and sent Colo off not many complained.
 
He was shite for both sides in the first half but thought he improved a lot in the 2nd half

Thought he let a few things go which I quite like as almost all players go down too easy nowadays. I think some refs need to realise that it is still a foul if you push or climb on Big Vic, you can't not give a foul just because he is built like a tank and doesn't go flying to the ground like Zuniga or Amrabat
 
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